Dear Right...

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

im working on two in texas right now..the windmills are an eyesore and it takes
81 of them to = 1 small coal fired or steam turbine

And coal plants are beautiful?

81 of them. That is much better than I thought.
So you were told they are producing more energy than
we can carry via wire, eh? ANd What the heck are you
doing there birthday boy? Out in beautiful West Texas?
Or are you in the middle/up to panhandle area?

[Riot]

Wind farms have some of their own serious concerns regarding environmental impact (birds, bats, etc). Yes, I find them ugly, btw.

I agree, we need far less coal dependency. And the end result of nuclear power is steam.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wind farms have some of their own serious concerns regarding environmental impact (birds, bats, etc). Yes, I find them ugly, btw.

I agree, we need far less coal dependency. And the end result of nuclear power is steam.

And you agree that now is the time to start this process?

I mean before you said Obama was too busy with his job to do his job (you know actually read the budget and eliminate those pesky earmarks that he said he was going to)

But he isnt too busy to try to start projects that put a financial strain on the people of the country with no actual tangible benefits?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you agree that now is the time to start this process?

I mean before you said Obama was too busy with his job to do his job (you know actually read the budget and eliminate those pesky earmarks that he said he was going to)

But he isnt too busy to try to start projects that put a financial strain on the people of the country with no actual tangible benefits?

Yes, because I think the premise of your last sentence is wrong.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, because I think the premise of your last sentence is wrong.

Yeah right. Right now in the middle of a giant recession where energy is available at extremely low prices which helps keep the recession from deepening we need to start this green ****. I'll take my chances that Al gore and the rest of th nuts are wrong since most of this bs wont have any tangible effect (if it really works) for 50 years.

and every person in the country can become MR and Mrs Green and we can all do every thing we could possible thing for the environment and it wont mean a damn thing when China doesnt give a **** and refused to change their policies. It wont help if everyone isnt doing it. It hasnt helped in europe. We have bigger issues right now.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah right. Right now in the middle of a giant recession where energy is available at extremely low prices which helps keep the recession from deepening we need to start this green ****. I'll take my chances that Al gore and the rest of th nuts are wrong since most of this bs wont have any tangible effect (if it really works) for 50 years.

and every person in the country can become MR and Mrs Green and we can all do every thing we could possible thing for the environment and it wont mean a damn thing when China doesnt give a **** and refused to change their policies. It wont help if everyone isnt doing it. It hasnt helped in europe. We have bigger issues right now.

If China does not change their ways it will present us with
the perfect example of what happens when industry runs
awry. They are basically poisoning themselves. Their life
expectancy has gone down and they are richer. Imagine that.

This is why Obama has stated he wants to do this now. It probably
would have gone better when gas was > 4.00 but it will eventually go
back. He believes this is the time to make the switch. Its a gamble.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If China does not change their ways it will present us with
the perfect example of what happens when industry runs
awry. They are basically poisoning themselves. Their life
expectancy has gone down and they are richer. Imagine that.

This is why Obama has stated he wants to do this now. It probably
would have gone better when gas was > 4.00 but it will eventually go
back. He believes this is the time to make the switch. Its a gamble.

it's not. he said other issues would be pushed to the back burner, that now was the time to put our focus on the economy. and creating more expense right now in energy is not a way to help our economy. people are finally getting a breather in that area (the one bright spot right now) and he wants to pull that rug out from under them? makes almost as much sense as choosing now to inform folks that medicare and medicaid are going to lose funding when more than ever need it, so that they can put that money towards a future attempt at universal health care.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If China does not change their ways it will present us with
the perfect example of what happens when industry runs
awry. They are basically poisoning themselves. Their life
expectancy has gone down and they are richer. Imagine that.

This is why Obama has stated he wants to do this now. It probably
would have gone better when gas was > 4.00 but it will eventually go
back. He believes this is the time to make the switch. Its a gamble.

China is not an example in any way shape or form for us. The differences are far too great but I can tell you that when their economy feels more pain they wont be implementing environmental programs. So all our attempts to stop or slow global warming are pretty moot anyway if the Chinese and other countires dont follow suit. Especially since there is no real live proof that the new policies will ever have any effect.

dont mean to get in the way fellas

the wall street journal and the economist
have really good stuff.

the economist has some very wide ranging
issues presented that tie a lot of stuff together.
wish it came out more often.

wall street journal does a cracker-jack job
of putting foreign affairs and business together.

actually Riot these two conservative posters
are not your social conservatives, they are
economic conservatives

Probably two of the few that realize their party
dies when they get off tangent on social issues.
Sad they need that base to pull off an election.

McCain was not rabid enough. He told a racist
hillbilly to shut up at a Rep pep rally and it was seen
as a mistake... go figure.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wind farms have some of their own serious concerns regarding environmental impact (birds, bats, etc). Yes, I find them ugly, btw.

I agree, we need far less coal dependency. And the end result of nuclear power is steam.

Actually the studies show the "kill" rate for the WT Farm is far far less than Auto strikes. It's all part of the enviromental impact study....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Actually the studies show the "kill" rate for the WT Farm is far far less than Auto strikes. It's all part of the enviromental impact study....

Since when isnt death part of the environmental process?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when isnt death part of the environmental process?

when it only causes genetic mutation?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by geeker2

when it only causes genetic mutation?

Aren't genetic mutations part of the process of nature?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Aren't genetic mutations part of the process of nature?

"You tell everybody. Listen to me, Hatcher. You've gotta tell them! Soylent Green is people! We've gotta stop them somehow!"

Originally Posted by Riot

Wind farms have some of their own serious concerns regarding environmental impact (birds, bats, etc). Yes, I find them ugly, btw.

I agree, we need far less coal dependency. And the end result of nuclear power is steam.

The bats and birds, shifting wind patterns are minor imo compared to coal.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The bats and birds, shifting wind patterns are minor imo compared to coal.

Windfarms kill alot of bats and birds. The windfarm they are putting off the northeast coast is in the middle of major migratory bird routes.

Just saying one has to be careful of the environmental impact of windfarms, too. I do like wind power. Alot.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Windfarms kill alot of bats and birds. The windfarm they are putting off the northeast coast is in the middle of major migratory bird routes.

Just saying one has to be careful of the environmental impact of windfarms, too. I do like wind power. Alot.

i had a mockingbird outside my window for close to 5 weeks last spring.

had i known of the option, i'd have built a windfarm.