Money for Education

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

more money for the unproductive

the public education system is a failure
always will be

yet somehow it produces some of the best
scientists in the world when sputnik goes up.
When it gets funded.
not to mention computers, the best medicine...

But that will come grinding to a halt.

Not saying the system is perfect.
But if you sat in the room I teach in
and listened to the kids I have you would
realize this country does not lack brain power.

They are so far ahead of you and I in High School...
Its not even close.

And it could be much better.
In this state the Public educational system is way
ahead of private schools. Now in Washington DC,
urban Chicago, Dallas... you are correct.

A smaller brush to paint your picture would be useful.
Actually it is painfully clear that public suburban schools in
well to-do areas match up with any system in the world,
even those where students are tracked.
Urban areas in decaying cities do extraordinarily poorly.
What a surprise. The public schools mimic their surroundings.

[dellinger63]

Going to go to condomns. In Chicago we need marksmanship courses for gang bangers.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by pgardn

In this state the Public educational system is way
ahead of private schools. Now in Washington DC,
urban Chicago, Dallas... you are correct.

smaller schools in rural areas match up the same way. Big cities are behind, but public schools in smaller areas or suburbs are much superior.... and that's coming from someone that had 4.0 thru high school with both parents as teachers and high school had a whopping 450 students in 9-12.

[AeWingnut]

in order to excel we find it necessary to lower our standards

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

in order to excel we find it necessary to lower our standards

at what point do we attack the real problem? The students parents.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

at what point do we attack the real problem? The students parents.

either side (teachers and parents) would do well to do as much as possible, rather than always pointing the finger at the other for what's ailing schools. i worked for a while at the schools here; there were several good teachers, but plenty of bad as well. i still visit some of the schools in the area from time to time with my job, and i usually leave appalled at the lack of attention from some teachers towards their young charges. apparently one day it was too cold for the teachers to take the kids outside (altho, it wasn't particularly chilly, it was a beautiful day actually) so the kids were playing in their classrooms for recess, with one teacher per about six classrooms standing in the hall. well, i retraced my steps down the hall on the way out, and got to listen to a teacher asking little johnny why he bit little freddy-'you're in the third grade' she admonished johnny. i shook my head, thought to myself that he sounded like a typical third grader, and headed out to the car. now, who was at fault in that instance?
absolutely there are parents that could do better-but there is plenty of blame to go around i'm afraid.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

at what point do we attack the real problem? The students parents.

How do you suggest we go about this?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

How do you suggest we go about this?

Pay them to have better kids?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

How do you suggest we go about this?

I would suggest that parents learn how to teach their children right from wrong and set the example by the way they interact with the child/student. Simple things like no means no when taught at a young age will go along way as they grow older. Parents need to be with their kids as much as possible. Dont leave the kid alone with a computer or x box. Planned parenthood can help by not having more kids than you can take care of. Be involved with their education at school and in the real world. it goes on and on...............