Toss out deep closers in belmont

thanks for all who tried.

A check of the results of the last 20 runnings of the Belmont proves the point. Horses who were located in the front half of the field at the first call won 14 of those races, compared with only 6 for the closers who were stuck in the rear half of the pack at that point.

this stat is not really all that convincing, is it ??

so in a 12 horse race; the winner, at the first call, was within one of the first six horses.

and how many of these races had Derrby and preakness winners in them.

i see the front runners at the first call as,
platunum couple, high finance, and sacred light,double galore

followed by
Blucat, deputy glitters and sunriver,
just behind these, strung out are;

jazil, bobandjohn,oh so awesome, steppenwolf
trailing
Hemingways key.

i see the first four fading at the 9f marker
deputy glitters, sunriver move forward, blucat starts to drop,
jazil, wolfer, and Banjo, move forawrd with 440 yards to go

at the wire its:

sunriver 1,2,or3
deputy glitters 1,2 or 3
stepenwolf 1,2,or 3
jazil1,2 or 3
blucat1,2,3
banjo1,2,3
hemingways key 2,3

give or take a position

this is logically what i see,
which means it won't happen like that.

my tri ticket will look something lik e this

4/8/5

in the 4, are
DG,wolffy,Jazil,sunriver (i see the storm cat fading)

add these to get the 8
banjo, hemingways key, a third one (oh so awesome) ??


its still a WIProcess

[Skip away]

More so than what has happened in the past (which definetely proves the point of the artice), I just dont care for Jazil and Steppenwolfer as win prospects. Neither has done much winning, so why should be this different?

Originally Posted by Skip away

More so than what has happened in the past (which definetely proves the point of the artice), I just dont care for Jazil and Steppenwolfer as win prospects. Neither has done much winning, so why should be this different?

speed does not win this race, it outs you in a position to win the race, as the article above also says.
they are running for the first time 440 yards longer, and these two where bred to run slower longer

look at the level of competition wolffy and jazil have faced.
they have run all spring behind the best of the crop
they have closed consistently on many tracks
in the derby both ran their highest beyers of the spring,
jazil paired two 97's, and wolfy a 98.
was there ever a horse on a steady progressive beyer path, that faced such good quality horses such as wolfy, who hasn't
tripled digit beyered by now. this is the race he has trained all year for.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

speed does not win this race, it outs you in a position to win the race, as the article above also says.
they are running for the first time 440 yards longer, and these two where bred to run slower longer

look at the level of competition wolffy and jazil have faced.
they have run all spring behind the best of the crop
they have closed consistently on many tracks
in the derby both ran their highest beyers of the spring,
jazil paired two 97's, and wolfy a 98.
was there ever a horse on a steady progressive beyer path, that faced such good quality horses such as wolfy, who hasn't
tripled digit beyered by now. this is the race he has trained all year for.

Agreed. I'm taking a shot with Steppenwolfer.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I have absolutely no idea what I am going to do with this field yet except that I am definitely playing Steppenwolfer, and am definitely not playing Bob and John. I'm waiting for the PP draw. A large part of my family is going to the OTB in Martinsville, VA this weekend to bet the races at Belmont. This will be the first time that my mother is going with me. It's going to be great! I have to make this day good!

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have absolutely no idea what I am going to do with this field yet except that I am definitely playing Steppenwolfer, and am definitely not playing Bob and John. I'm waiting for the PP draw. A large part of my family is going to the OTB in Martinsville, VA this weekend to bet the races at Belmont. This will be the first time that my mother is going with me. It's going to be great! I have to make this day good!

i don't know if you want to leave Banjo out,
he shipped out east to aquduct and won with gomez up
he is the only grade 1 winner in the gate
he still has gomez aboard

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i see the front runners at the first call as,
platunum couple, high finance, and sacred light,double galore

followed by
Blucat, deputy glitters and sunriver,
just behind these, strung out are;

jazil, bobandjohn,oh so awesome, steppenwolf
trailing
Hemingways key.

i see the first four fading at the 9f marker
deputy glitters, sunriver move forward, blucat starts to drop,
jazil, wolfer, and Banjo, move forawrd with 440 yards to go

at the wire its:

sunriver 1,2,or3
deputy glitters 1,2 or 3
stepenwolf 1,2,or 3
jazil1,2 or 3
blucat1,2,3
banjo1,2,3
hemingways key 2,3

give or take a position

this is logically what i see,
which means it won't happen like that.

Bob and John should be closer to the pace. He usually is. Not sure why he would be that far back. And Sacred Light will not be in the first flight of horses either. He's usually passing tired horses down the stretch.
And include Hemingway's Key at your own risk.
The horse is still no good. After Barbaro and Brother Derek were taken out of the race in the first 10 seconds of the Preakness, finishing 3rd wasn't a very tough feat. No way he hits the board on Saturday.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Bob and John should be closer to the pace. He usually is. Not sure why he would be that far back. And Sacred Light will not be in the first flight of horses either. He's usually passing tired horses down the stretch.
And include Hemingway's Key at your own risk.
The horse is still no good. After Barbaro and Brother Derek were taken out of the race in the first 10 seconds of the Preakness, finishing 3rd wasn't a very tough feat. No way he hits the board on Saturday.

Hemingway's Key had a hell of a trip in the Preakness. I wouldn't toss him. This race is wide open.