Andy Beyer, Dutrow, DRF

[Riot]

This thread is exactly why all pre- and post-race testing, and the RMTC, should be eliminated.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Good idea. Let's just put our collective heads in the sand and accept that the same few guys seem to perform miracle after miracle. because I'm sure these miracle workers aren't smart enough to figure out how to get by the tests.

Gamblers know who the cheaters are, and gamblers know the testing is an expensive waste of time that doesn't catch them.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gamblers know who the cheaters are, and gamblers know the testing is an expensive waste of time that doesn't catch them.

Wow.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gamblers know who the cheaters are, and gamblers know the testing is an expensive waste of time that doesn't catch them.

OMG Beth, this is wrong on so many levels.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Scav

OMG Beth, this is wrong on so many levels.

Ya think?

I like to see testing results to see who is cheating. Others don't need them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ya think?

I like to see testing results to see who is cheating. Others don't need them.

Your constantly referring to horseplayers as gamblers would be insulting if we didn't consider the source. I understand it somehow justifies your lack of involvement in this game to make that theoretically insulting reference, as somehow it places you above others, when in fact all it does is expose you as being petty.

However, having said that, you also demean yourself further by failing to recognize that a serious student of this game can identify when horses perform in extraordinary and, at least somewhat, inexplicable ways. Now, all of us also know that many things are possible, and hardly cry foul every time a horse runs out of its skin, however, when we see the same trainers ( and, no, I'm not naming names ) doing it repeatedly, with different horses, we see a pattern and are hardly jumping to any conclusions to be suspicious.

Believe it or not, many of us also benefit financially in these situations, however that doesn't stop us from also being suspicious. In fact, it are those very suspicions that lead us to these sometimes scores. Sorry to inform you, but it's not all sour grapes by losing horseplayers, but quite often cries for reform in an industry that we love, devote a great deal of our lives to, and support financially. I realize these are not concerns of yours, and that is fine, but do yourself a favor and stop lowering yourself to a level of insulting those of us that do.

[Mike2456]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Your constantly referring to horseplayers as gamblers would be insulting if we didn't consider the source. I understand it somehow justifies your lack of involvement in this game to make that theoretically insulting reference, as somehow it places you above others, when in fact all it does is expose you as being petty.

However, having said that, you also demean yourself further by failing to recognize that a serious student of this game can identify when horses perform in extraordinary and, at least somewhat, inexplicable ways. Now, all of us also know that many things are possible, and hardly cry foul every time a horse runs out of its skin, however, when we see the same trainers ( and, no, I'm not naming names ) doing it repeatedly, with different horses, we see a pattern and are hardly jumping to any conclusions to be suspicious.

Believe it or not, many of us also benefit financially in these situations, however that doesn't stop us from also being suspicious. In fact, it are those very suspicions that lead us to these sometimes scores. Sorry to inform you, but it's not all sour grapes by losing horseplayers, but quite often cries for reform in an industry that we love, devote a great deal of our lives to, and support financially. I realize these are not concerns of yours, and that is fine, but do yourself a favor and stop lowering yourself to a level of insulting those of us that do.

Your ignorance is showing.

[Scav]

Here we go.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Mike2456

Your ignorance is showing.

In the interest of full disclosure, I thought I would point out the second of your five posts on this board ( two of which are in off topic ).....I was particular excited to see it was in a " Happy Birthday " thread....one for Riot in case anyone is confused.

Originally Posted by Mike2456

Happy Birthday to my good friend Beth, who got me to join up here. Thanks for all you've done for us over the years, Doc. Hope you heal fast and can get that namesake dog out west this fall! Have a great one.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gamblers know who the cheaters are, and gamblers know the testing is an expensive waste of time that doesn't catch them.

You may actually be part right

[CSC]

Reality today is any horse that runs a big figure is going to be under a certain amount of suspicion was he juiced or not. Is it fair to paint all horses under the same umbrella? Probably not, but it is what it is, the same can be said for baseball, track & field, extreme fighting. The problem is not restricted to horseracing. My displeasure is with certain trainers that lash out when let's face it any horseplayer worth his or her salt knows they have cheated and are probably still cheating.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

off topic, but I just noticed your signature. Pretty ironic, especially now.

Always nice to pay homage to such a stand up guy.