Imperial Council ?

dagulla · #1 01-27-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I find it hilarious that Dunkirk has gotten absolutely slammed on this board but Imperial Council has been considered a "sleeper" for quite some time both here and with a number of "experts."

If Dunkirk capitalized on a terrific pace setup in his debut then what exactly did Imperial Council do when he broke his maiden in career start #2? They went pitifully slow to the half and considering Professor Z had a disastrous start and then made a woefully premature move, IC had EVERYTHING go his way. American Dance broke his maiden in his next start when he beat the mighty Aswaaq and was then drowned by Old Fashioned. Professor Z beat a horrible field of maidens on 11/1 at the Big A then beat an equally terrible N1X field on the inner. He was exposed at Oaklawn in an ungraded stake.

I am admittedly not a Shug McGaughey fan and that has nothing to do with Shug as a man. His horses garner a ton of hype all the time, are consistently overbet, and almost as consistently underperform. I understand that he has done great things over the years, as Easy Goer and Lure were outstanding animals, but that was then and this is now.

NT

I am no indsider, and I started this thread because I was curious to here any updated news on this horse. I herd months ago that Shug thought this one was a stone cold runner, and the real deal, and Shug felt he had a horse who could win a triple crown race. Shug is not the type to talk, like Dutrow. So take it how you want.

freddymo · #2 01-27-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dagulla

I am no indsider, and I started this thread because I was curious to here any updated news on this horse. I herd months ago that Shug thought this one was a stone cold runner, and the real deal, and Shug felt he had a horse who could win a triple crown race..... Shug is not the type to talk, like Dutrow. So take it how you want.

He said the same thing about Sightseeing

dagulla · #3 01-27-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

He said the same thing about Sightseeing

Not true, I here that he thought Sightseeing was not much horse, and the only time he was really high on Sightseeing was going into the Wood, when Sightseeing easily ran his career best race.

jinjin · #4 01-27-2009, 07:53 PM

This thread started with an innocent question about a horse and it went off into weird tangents about shug's ability as a trainer, etc. Just because a horse is well bred, doesn't mean that it will be a champion. We all know it's a crap shoot. McGaughy is a good trainer who takes care of his horses and doesn't push them. If they have ability, they perform. It's futile to speculate whether they would do better with any other trainer because I doubt the Phipps' would ever part with Shug. They breed to race, and they love the horses and the game. They don't do it for the money.

blackthroatedwind · #5 01-27-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jinjin

This thread started with an innocent question about a horse and it went off into weird tangents about shug's ability as a trainer, etc. Just because a horse is well bred, doesn't mean that it will be a champion. We all know it's a crap shoot. McGaughy is a good trainer who takes care of his horses and doesn't push them. If they have ability, they perform. It's futile to speculate whether they would do better with any other trainer because I doubt the Phipps' would ever part with Shug. They breed to race, and they love the horses and the game. They don't do it for the money.

First of all, he's not a Phipps horse.

Secondly, maybe you should at least wait until you have double digit posts before questioning the turn the thread took. People's opinions of Shug are actually very relevent to the topic of the thread.

And, look at it this way, it's about the most popular non-birthday thread this board has seen in months. How can that be a bad thing?

dagulla · #6 01-27-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all, he's not a Phipps horse.

Secondly, maybe you should at least wait until you have double digit posts before questioning the turn the thread took. People's opinions of Shug are actually very relevent to the topic of the thread.

And, look at it this way, it's about the most popular non-birthday thread this board has seen in months. How can that be a bad thing?

What do you think of Shug and this horse ?

Linny · #7 01-27-2009, 08:28 PM

Most threads go on tangents. Focus goes from the horse to the trainer to the figures to the horses the original horse ran against, to their trainers...and so on...

This one has been pretty lively so it's a good thing you started it.

blackthroatedwind · #8 01-27-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dagulla

What do you think of Shug and this horse ?

I like Shug. He's always very nice to me.

I have no particular opinion on this horse. He ran OK as a 2YO and hasn't been seen in about four months. He's a total question mark.

blackthroatedwind · #9 01-27-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dagulla

What do you think of Shug and this horse ?

First you have to answer a question.......have you ever lost a handicapping contest on this board?

GPK · #10 01-27-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all, he's not a Phipps horse.

Secondly, maybe you should at least wait until you have double digit posts before questioning the turn the thread took. People's opinions of Shug are actually very relevent to the topic of the thread.

And, look at it this way, it's about the most popular non-birthday thread this board has seen in months. How can that be a bad thing?

Im still smarting from you not showing up to wish me a happy birthday. Me, of all people.