Blago vs patterson

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Gun laws that aim to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens do nothing to protect anyone. Criminals don't obey laws so what's the matter with speaking out in support of the 2nd amendment? I take my right to own firearms very seriously. There are lots of guns where I live and very little crime. In NYC there are lots of gun restrictions and lots of crime.

Obviously you believe this relationship to be true because you wrote it, but I could also say that there are few guns in many other countries and little crime.

And you may interpret the intention of the second ammendment however you wish, but there are many that feel a "well armed militia" has nothing to do with your rights to own as many guns as you please.

Not a popular opinion I know, but as seriously as you take your right to own firearms, I just as strongly believe you shouldn't have that right, at least not without a lot tighter controls.

[Antitrust32]

So I dont know if I can be a republican anymore.

I was just reading the fox forum about Pelosi... and I just dont know if I can be associated with those type of people.

It was all hate speech directed at gays, hispanics, blacks, etc.. they called Obama a primate. Basically the people on that forum are the people who believe if you are not white and very much Christian, then you are not a "real" american.. but a psycho libtard.

What happened to the republican party? What happened to small goverment, strong military, low taxes & staying out of peoples lives?? The whole party is know being represented by people who preach hate instead of tolerence! What makes a white person better than an hispanic person... or a gay person worse than a straight person. NOTHING DOES.

The republican party will NEVER be of significance again if they do not change that perception. I know that the entire party is not like that, but the ones in the news give a the rep's a real bad name. The majority of this country has grown up and is way past prejudice and bigotry. This party needs a lot more John McCains and a lot less Sarah Palins.

I'm still going to believe in core conservative principles, but I'm going to stay far away from the fox forum.

Just venting.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So I dont know if I can be a republican anymore.

I was just reading the fox forum about Pelosi... and I just dont know if I can be associated with those type of people.

It was all hate speech directed at gays, hispanics, blacks, etc.. they called Obama a primate. Basically the people on that forum are the people who believe if you are not white and very much Christian, then you are not a "real" american.. but a psycho libtard.

What happened to the republican party? What happened to small goverment, strong military, low taxes & staying out of peoples lives?? The whole party is know being represented by people who preach hate instead of tolerence! What makes a white person better than an hispanic person... or a gay person worse than a straight person. NOTHING DOES.

The republican party will NEVER be of significance again if they do not change that perception. I know that the entire party is not like that, but the ones in the news give a the rep's a real bad name. The majority of this country has grown up and is way past prejudice and bigotry. This party needs a lot more John McCains and a lot less Sarah Palins.

I'm still going to believe in core conservative principles, but I'm going to stay far away from the fox forum.

Just venting.

It's a good vent...and not because of the party affiliations. I would probably be willing to bend on the lesser of my "Liberal" leanings if the far right didn't freak me out so much. I think there are a lot of middle grounds on a lot of very sensitive issues that both sides are afraid to give any ground on. Would I like all guns to be eliminated from the face of the Earth...sure..Do I think it's realistic or reasonable, no. But if the gun control advocates are faced with the NRA's unbending message, the vision of Charlton Heston doing the "cold, dead hands" thing, etc how can I respect SOREHOOF and his feelings that guns are a right of ownership? Being called a Communist or a Dumbocrat just makes me that much more driven to shove the far right's ideas of how this World should be run up their ass. And I'm not talking about Conservatives...I'm talking about the lunatic fringe emboldened and encouraged by Coulter, Limbaugh, etc

Neither side will ever get everything they want, but I've always thought it pretty obvious which side preaches fear and which doesn't.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

It was all hate speech directed at gays, hispanics, blacks, etc.. they called Obama a primate. Basically the people on that forum are the people who believe if you are not white and very much Christian, then you are not a "real" american.. but a psycho libtard.

What happened to the republican party? What happened to small goverment, strong military, low taxes & staying out of peoples lives?? The whole party is know being represented by people who preach hate instead of tolerence! What makes a white person better than an hispanic person... or a gay person worse than a straight person. NOTHING DOES.

Lori. Seriously, you just realized this all NOW?!

Maybe we should have spent more time keeping in touch the last few years

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by GBBob

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Obviously you believe this relationship to be true because you wrote it, but I could also say that there are few guns in many other countries and little crime.

And you may interpret the intention of the second ammendment however you wish, but there are many that feel a "well armed militia" has nothing to do with your rights to own as many guns as you please.

Not a popular opinion I know, but as seriously as you take your right to own firearms, I just as strongly believe you shouldn't have that right, at least not without a lot tighter controls.

Do you have any idea what you have to go through to get a handgun permit in the state of N.Y.? Most of the guns used in crimes are illegal. Lets enforce the laws that are on the books already before we enact new laws that will only be targeted at law abiding citizens. I believe in severe penalties for any crime involving a gun, and even more severe for crimes involving an illegal gun. I respect your opinion but I do disagree.The countries that have few guns and little crime probably have very little freedom compared to the U.S.A. I believe the right to bear arms was put in by the founding fathers in case we the people had to overthrow the Govt. At the time the people were able to own any weapon the military had.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

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Obviously you believe this relationship to be true because you wrote it, but I could also say that there are few guns in many other countries and little crime.

And you may interpret the intention of the second ammendment however you wish, but there are many that feel a "well armed militia" has nothing to do with your rights to own as many guns as you please.

Not a popular opinion I know, but as seriously as you take your right to own firearms, I just as strongly believe you shouldn't have that right, at least not without a lot tighter controls.

there are probably just as many who read the second amendment as allowing you to own guns. kind of like freedom of the press includes more than the newspapers...
there are limits already on gun ownership-no felons, no nut cases.

now, i used to think that you shouldn't have many limits of what kind of weapons you can own-and i don't feel that for the most part it's law abiding citizens who are the problem insofar as guns are concerned.
but my dipshit neighbors bought their 16 year old an ak-47...now i'm thinking maybe a couple rules about what kind of guns might not be such a bad idea...and they are breaking the law, altho it would be hard to hit them with it-you are supposed to be 18 to possess a weapon, and no one is supposed to give a gun as a gift, the gun is supposed to be owned by whoever filled out the paperwork. but of course if the police showed up and asked, timmi would claim ownership, not his son....

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now i'm thinking maybe a couple rules about what kind of guns might not be such a bad idea......

I don't totally toe the line either way on this one, but this gets to the heart of how I basically feel about it. I have no problem at all with people having guns in their home, I was brought up in a house with a gun and learned how serious they were and how to use one at a very young age, and certainly wouldn't mind having one in my home one day.

On the other hand, I do not need a machine gun in my closet.

And I'm not a big concealed carry fan either. Guns in the home don't bother me one bit though, oddly enough.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I don't totally toe the line either way on this one, but this gets to the heart of how I basically feel about it. I have no problem at all with people having guns in their home, I was brought up in a house with a gun and learned how serious they were and how to use one at a very young age, and certainly wouldn't mind having one in my home one day.

On the other hand, I do not need a machine gun in my closet.

And I'm not a big concealed carry fan either. Guns in the home don't bother me one bit though, oddly enough.

Conceal and carry permit is almost impossible to get in my county. If you got your permit in the 80's it was automatic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I don't totally toe the line either way on this one, but this gets to the heart of how I basically feel about it. I have no problem at all with people having guns in their home, I was brought up in a house with a gun and learned how serious they were and how to use one at a very young age, and certainly wouldn't mind having one in my home one day.

On the other hand, I do not need a machine gun in my closet.

And I'm not a big concealed carry fan either. Guns in the home don't bother me one bit though, oddly enough.

we had to buy a larger safe, we have so many now....but they all have their uses, and reasons why we have them...but no ak-47's, and only one handgun that was passed down to tony from his grandfather.

[SOREHOOF]

There's always going to be nuts and there's always going to be tragedy with or without more gun laws. Last year there was a brilliant idea to let illegal aliens get driver licenses. And someone wants to take my guns?