TVG Classic - Mineshaft

#1 08-29-2006, 08:52 AM

Did anyone see the show TVG Classic last night when Mineshaft won the JCGC. Then at the end of the show they said that Mineshaft was retired before the Breeders Cup Classic due to multiple injuries. Now I dont remember, but what were these injuries?

zippyneedsawin · #2 08-29-2006, 08:54 AM

I don't remember any injuries either. I thought Farish said they were targeting the JCGC all year and just didn't plan to run him again afterward.

#3 08-29-2006, 08:59 AM

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I don't remember any injuries either. I thought Farish said they were targeting the JCGC all year and just didn't plan to run him again afterward.

That is what I remember. But Greg Wolf went on about how the public was screaming for a Candy Ride v Mineshaft matchup. Then he says that Mineshaft was retired due to multiple injuries.

#4 08-29-2006, 11:36 AM

Mineshaft Retired With Minor Injuries

Mineshaft Retired with Minor Injuries
by Lenny Shulman
Date Posted: October 3, 2003
Last Updated: October 6, 2003

Mineshaft, retired due to minor injury.
Skip Dickstein
Mineshaft, the leading handicap horse in the country, was retired Friday due to what trainer Neil Howard said was a small chip in his right front ankle.
"This morning Dr. Foster Northrop, Mineshaft's vet, his owner, Mr. William Farish, and I had a discussion and made the decision to retire Mineshaft due to a minor problem in his ankle that we have been managing," said Howard. "A small, nondisplaced chip was found after the Suburban, and we monitored the situation closely.

"After the Jockey Club Gold Cup last week his post-race x-rays revealed the chip had broken off and was displaced, or floating. Dr. Northrop also discovered deterioration in the third carpal bone in a knee and a small nondisplaced chip in the left front ankle. We had no alternative but to retire the horse at this point, although he was exhibiting no discomfort."

"We thought it was in the best interest of the horse at this point," Northrop added. "All three injuries were minor but could put the horse at risk."

Mineshaft is owned by his breeders, Farish, James Elkins, and Temple Webber Jr., who had announced several weeks ago that Mineshaft would be retired to stand at stud for the 2004 season at Farish's Lane's End Farm near Midway, Ky. It was assumed he would run in the Breeders' Cup Classic - Powered by Dodge before being retired, however. Farish is a founding member of the Breeders' Cup and served many years as chairman of its executive committee. The connections began hedging on running Mineshaft before his Jockey Club Gold Cup victory, and before the discovery of the chip becoming displaced. Mineshaft was said by his connections to have come out of the Jockey Club Gold Cup in fine condition, and was on the track jogging 1 3/8 miles two days later.

Mineshaft retires with earnings of $2,283,402 and won 10 of his 18 lifetime starts. He began his racing career in Europe, where it was found that the son of A.P. Indy did not act well on the turf. Returned to the U.S. late in 2002, he won both his starts here last year, and ran up seven victories in nine trips to post this season. In addition to the Jockey Club Gold Cup, he won grade I contests in the Pimlico Special, Suburban Handicap, and Woodward Stakes. He also took the New Orleans Handicap (gr. II) and the Ben Ali Stakes (gr. III).

Mineshaft is out of the Mr. Prospector mare Prospectors Delite, and is slated to stand for a stud fee of $100,000.

randallscott35 · #5 08-29-2006, 11:51 AM

What an amazing horse. Didn't even try the dirt until later in his career. Imagine what he could've done if he had.

dalakhani · #6 08-29-2006, 12:13 PM

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What an amazing horse. Didn't even try the dirt until later in his career. Imagine what he could've done if he had.

What did he beat?

Scurlogue Champ · #7 08-29-2006, 12:40 PM

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What did he beat?

I can tell you what he didn't beat one day....

Perfect MFing Drift, that's who

#8 08-29-2006, 01:24 PM

I have always believed that had the Breeders' Cup been run in the East in the Mineshaft year, he would have been in the starting gate. His connections did not like the California venue.

Betsy · #9 08-29-2006, 04:46 PM

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What did he beat?

Well, he didn't beat Harlan's Holiday and MDO because their trainers were too scared to run against him!

dalakhani · #10 08-29-2006, 04:59 PM

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Well, he didn't beat Harlan's Holiday and MDO because their trainers were too scared to run against him!

Mineshaft was better than harlans holiday. At 9 furlongs, MDO vs. mineshaft would have been a great match.

Candy Ride would have had people questioning whether Mineshaft was even Equine.

randallscott35 · #11 08-29-2006, 05:35 PM

Dalak, I'm beginning to believe you simply want to be the board trouble maker. But since you asked.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/eclipsewin...ft%20career%22

Everyone of the horses that year avoided him like the plague. He and Ghostzapper ran consistently the fastest numbers ever given out by Thorograph in the last 25 years.(the fastest number ever given to a losing horse was his race to Perfect Drift. A negative 5---you can thank Robby "6 wide" Albarado.) The great Bernardini hasn't run as fast nor has any older horse since those two were retired. None. Zero.

dalakhani · #12 08-29-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Dalak, I'm beginning to believe you simply want to be the board trouble maker. But since you asked.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/eclipsewin...ft%20career%22

Everyone of the horses that year avoided him like the plague. He and Ghostzapper ran consistently the fastest numbers ever given out by Thorograph in the last 25 years.(the fastest number ever given to a losing horse was his race to Perfect Drift. A negative 5---you can thank Robby "6 wide" Albarado.) The great Bernardini hasn't run as fast nor has any older horse since those two were retired. None. Zero.

Board trouble maker? Why? Because i asked a simple question as to who mineshaft beat? Do you want to discuss or would you prefer i just shut up?

Betsy · #13 08-29-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Dalak, I'm beginning to believe you simply want to be the board trouble maker. But since you asked.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/eclipsewin...ft%20career%22

Everyone of the horses that year avoided him like the plague. He and Ghostzapper ran consistently the fastest numbers ever given out by Thorograph in the last 25 years.(the fastest number ever given to a losing horse was his race to Perfect Drift. A negative 5---you can thank Robby "6 wide" Albarado.) The great Bernardini hasn't run as fast nor has any older horse since those two were retired. None. Zero.

I'm not sure it's fair to expect a 3 year year old, even of Bernardini's quality, to run as fast as a Mineshaft did at age 4........Nonetheless, thanks for taking up Mineshaft's cause for me. I can't believe how many doubters he has..........

randallscott35 · #14 08-29-2006, 05:43 PM

It just seems like every thread you are in, you simply want to stir **** up. Trashing horses or people or anything you can....But maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Obviously when people diss Mineshaft, its the only horse I take it personally about. The one and only one.

randallscott35 · #15 08-29-2006, 05:44 PM

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I'm not sure it's fair to expect a 3 year year old, even of Bernardini's quality, to run as fast as a Mineshaft did at age 4........Nonetheless, thanks for taking up Mineshaft's cause for me. I can't believe how many doubters he has..........

Completely agree, just pointing it out, but Bernard if he runs at 4 very well might run comparable numbers.

dalakhani · #16 08-29-2006, 05:47 PM

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It just seems like every thread you are in, you simply want to stir **** up. Trashing horses or people or anything you can....But maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Obviously when people diss Mineshaft, its the only horse I take it personally about. The one and only one.

And where did i trash mineshaft in this thread? Ive made two statements. One...i asked what he beat. In the other i said that he was better than Harlans holiday (who i think was a pretty darn good horse) and said it would be a great race against MDO at 9 furlongs (and i think mdo was incredible at that distance). I just think candy ride was better.

So, would you like to discuss mineshaft?

randallscott35 · #17 08-29-2006, 05:51 PM

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And where did i trash mineshaft in this thread? Ive made two statements. One...i asked what he beat. In the other i said that he was better than Harlans holiday (who i think was a pretty darn good horse) and said it would be a great race against MDO at 9 furlongs (and i think mdo was incredible at that distance). I just think candy ride was better.

So, would you like to discuss mineshaft?

Enough already its pretty obvious with a statement like "Who did he beat?" you were being dismissive. Candy Ride, lol, maybe if he raced more than a few times in his life in the US. And who did Candy Ride beat, Medags who once, who liked to finish 2nd in big races?...And no, I don't want to discuss Mineshaft with you....Just waiting for the next boring ass thread about your hard on for Garret Gomez.

dalakhani · #18 08-29-2006, 05:56 PM

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Enough already its pretty obvious with a statement like "Who did he beat?" you were being dismissive. Candy Ride, lol, maybe if he raced more than a few times in his life in the US. And who did Candy Ride beat, Medags who once, who liked to finish 2nd in big races?...And no, I don't want to discuss Mineshaft with you....Just waiting for the next boring ass thread about your hard on for Garret Gomez.

Well, i do have a correction. I asked "what did he beat"? And the question really wasnt dismissive it was more to spark a discussion. Obviously, you cant answer that question and choose not to discuss it. Thats fine...i respect that. Peace.

#19 08-29-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Enough already its pretty obvious with a statement like "Who did he beat?" you were being dismissive. Candy Ride, lol, maybe if he raced more than a few times in his life in the US. And who did Candy Ride beat, Medags who once, who liked to finish 2nd in big races?...And no, I don't want to discuss Mineshaft with you....Just waiting for the next boring ass thread about your hard on for Garret Gomez.

randall, this guy knows not too much. What he likes to play is devils Advocate. he once took the time to compile a list of Johnny V's losing mounts odds at post. yet when I asked him to cite a bad ride he gave, he said that wasnt the issue!! LOL!!!
See what im getting at? Its easy to run your gums and make statements, its a lot harder when people ask you to back up your statements with facts. then they say " I was just raising the issue" as a defense. Extremely weak behavior, even for a message board.

dalakhani · #20 08-29-2006, 06:18 PM

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randall, this guy knows not too much. What he likes to play is devils Advocate. he once took the time to compile a list of Johnny V's losing mounts odds at post. yet when I asked him to cite a bad ride he gave, he said that wasnt the issue!! LOL!!!
See what im getting at? Its easy to run your gums and make statements, its a lot harder when people ask you to back up your statements with facts. then they say " I was just raising the issue" as a defense. Extremely weak behavior, even for a message board.

Actually, chief, i didnt compile that list. Check the thread and then a recant would be nice. And i never said JV gave a bad ride. I merely pointed out that he was 0-5 days, an achievement you said he would "never, ever" accomplish. But, thats neither here nor there.

As far as playing devil's advocate, guilty as charged. I just didnt it would create such ill will. Now...do you know a good horse that mineshaft beat that was in form when they raced or are you just "running your gums"?