Cast your Dee Tee baseball HoF vote

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Henderson is the only clear cut HOF'er on this list.

Why not McGwire? Have you personally drug tested Henderson to know he was never on steroids?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Why not McGwire? Have you personally drug tested Henderson to know he was never on steroids?

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INjuries curtailed a lot of his career as well. He was a monster from 1996-2000 and I could care less about steroids. I don't care if Henderson did steroids nor McGwire. I dont' think McGwire is a hall of famer with steroids.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

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INjuries curtailed a lot of his career as well. He was a monster from 1996-2000 and I could care less about steroids. I don't care if Henderson did steroids nor McGwire. I dont' think McGwire is a hall of famer with steroids.

You vote for Rice over Dawson using OBP and SLG % differences of 20 points but dont like McGwire despite his OBP being 40 points beter than Rice and his Slg% being 80 points higher than Rices. Not to mention his hitting 200 more hR's than Rice, being a 12 time all star, rookie of the Year, gold glove winner, and hitting into 150 less DP's than Rice.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You vote for Rice over Dawson using OBP and SLG % differences of 20 points but dont like McGwire despite his OBP being 40 points beter than Rice and his Slg% being 80 points higher than Rices. Not to mention his hitting 200 more hR's than Rice, being a 12 time all star, rookie of the Year, gold glove winner, and hitting into 150 less DP's than Rice.

Rice never had years even remotely as bad as McGwire did in what should have been his prime years. Hitting in the 70s and early 80s ...was it not different than the late 90s? Stacking 4 or 5 great years to me does not a hall of famer make. I don't think Rice is a hall of famer either...but he is more of one than McGwire. Travis Hafner also has a much higher slugging percentage and OBP than Jim Rice...does that make Hafner a hall of famer or more worthy of a vote than Jim Rice??

You can compare Rice and Dawson's stats...they played at basically the same time or very close. McGwire didn't play when they did. I only voted for Ricky Henderson on the list.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Rice never had years even remotely as bad as McGwire did in what should have been his prime years. Hitting in the 70s and early 80s ...was it not different than the late 90s? Stacking 4 or 5 great years to me does not a hall of famer make. I don't think Rice is a hall of famer either...but he is more of one than McGwire. Travis Hafner also has a much higher slugging percentage and OBP than Jim Rice...does that make Hafner a hall of famer or more worthy of a vote than Jim Rice??

You can compare Rice and Dawson's stats...they played at basically the same time or very close. McGwire didn't play when they did. I only voted for Ricky Henderson on the list.

That's funny cause in McGwire's three terrible years he had as high an OBP as Rice did in his career.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That's funny cause in McGwire's three terrible years he had as high an OBP as Rice did in his career.

I dont' care. I don't think either one is a HOF'er. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Rice had 12 years with an OBP higher than .330 and 9 years higher than .339.

There is nothing about Mark McGwire that makes me think he is a HOF'er...nor Andre Dawson, nor Jim Rice. Of the 3 I think Jim Rice is the closest. That's it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I dont' care. I don't think either one is a HOF'er. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Rice had 12 years with an OBP higher than .330 and 9 years higher than .339.

There is nothing about Mark McGwire that makes me think he is a HOF'er...nor Andre Dawson, nor Jim Rice. Of the 3 I think Jim Rice is the closest. That's it.

If you look at the players in the hall of fame, all of them not just the ted Williams and Willie Mays, you will find many players that are very similar to these guys and some that are not as good. That is how I ultimately wind up believing a player in HoF worthy, are they as good as similar players from history that are already in.