Dick Jauron/Turk Schonert/Jets/Dolphins playalong thread

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Saints have huge problems on defense and Tampa has huge issues on offense. THey played the NFC North and AFC West this year. Atlanta is a mirage and Tampa lost to Oakland in a playoff clinching game. You wanna believe that this division is a million times better than the AFC East fine. But Cassel still had a better year than Ryan.

Cassell had a better year than Ryan because Ryan had a very good running game. Which in turn might have helped in in the passing game. Nonetheless, thats sort of unfair.

All this is really hard.

Where would people have put Derek Anderson two years ago?

I think a guy that derserves much more credit than he is getting
is Rogers. Especially after I saw him absolutely crush a defensive
back after an interception. No really, no running game, a bad o-line,
and I thought the guy did a heck of a good job seeing that he was
running for his life or on his back most of the season.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Cassell had a better year than Ryan because Ryan had a very good running game. Which in turn might have helped in in the passing game. Nonetheless, thats sort of unfair.

All this is really hard.

Where would people have put Derek Anderson two years ago?

I think a guy that derserves much more credit than he is getting
is Rogers. Especially after I saw him absolutely crush a defensive
back after an interception. No really, no running game, a bad o-line,
and I thought the guy did a heck of a good job seeing that he was
running for his life or on his back most of the season.

Your argument doesn't hold much, the Falcons had the 2nd ranked rushing game in the league, but the Patriots had the 6th. The difference is marginal at best, only 10 yds/game more:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...2&d-447263-n=1

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Your argument doesn't hold much, the Falcons had the 2nd ranked rushing game in the league, but the Patriots had the 6th. The difference is marginal at best, only 10 yds/game more:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...2&d-447263-n=1

The bottom line is the Falcons relied heavily on the ground game
to protect Ryan. And they did a damn good job of it. The Falcons
are a smash mouth running team get in 2nd or 3rd and short. The Patriots
did not play this type of game.

[GPK]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3804004

[ateamstupid]

If there's anyone who deserves to complain, it's TJ. He carried the offense all season, and he's one of the hardest workers in the league. He was one of the few Jets who didn't quit during the 4-12 season. I respect the hell out of the dude. And somebody had to say it.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If there's anyone who deserves to complain, it's TJ. He carried the offense all season, and he's one of the hardest workers in the league. He was one of the few Jets who didn't quit during the 4-12 season. I respect the hell out of the dude. And somebody had to say it.

Plus, this wasn't just a heat of the moment thing. It was a few days later, so this must have been festering. There's probably a lot we don't know about what really went on with this team this year.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If there's anyone who deserves to complain, it's TJ. He carried the offense all season, and he's one of the hardest workers in the league. He was one of the few Jets who didn't quit during the 4-12 season. I respect the hell out of the dude. And somebody had to say it.

I have no problem with his comments and think it is ridiculous that the media is making such a big deal out of it. It has to be frustrating as hell to watch your football team collapse by poor play from a player that is immune to benching. And who exactly is he supposed to vent to? They don't have a head coach. If anything this is a smart move, the more people that speak up against Bret publicly the less likely he will be back next year. Privately airing your grievances with the GM isn't going to make one bit of difference.

Of course, as a Bills fan I'd much rather see them kiss and make up and Bret come back next year to doom another Jets season and push them another year back towards rebuilding. Or even better, the GM ship Jones out of town and try and make Leon Washington their feature back.

[MaTH716]

I don't understand what managements desire to have Brett Favre come back is (they already sold all the jerseys). But do you think that there is a contigency plan in place?
Personally I can't see him coming back. His legacy definitely took a bit of a hit at the end here (granted there seems to be an injury involved). Is he going to want to rehab this injury to the point to get back into football shape? Is he going to want to learn a whole new scheme/playbook (assuming the schottenhiemer gets fired)? He has been an untouchable icon most of his career, now he is starting to take negative shots from fans, media and worst of all his teamates. Will he realize that it will get much tougher next season. They blew an 8-3 start with an easy schedule ahead of them. Next year they have to play the AFC/NFC south. Those teams won 33 more games combined than the AFC/NFC west, teams the Jets played this year. Does he really want to be in New York?
I just don't see the positives for him/the Jets (which makes managements desire even more boggling). Is it just about the PSL's? There many Jets fans want Favre out of here anyway. Maybe if they upgrade the reciever position and open the playbook up for brett he's worth a flier for one more year. But even that, he will be a year older and coming off arm surgery. Will he even be able to air it out if needed.
Add all of this together and I don't think there's any chance on him coming back next year.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If there's anyone who deserves to complain, it's TJ. He carried the offense all season, and he's one of the hardest workers in the league. He was one of the few Jets who didn't quit during the 4-12 season. I respect the hell out of the dude. And somebody had to say it.

TJ killed it this year, which is why it's even more mind boggling to me they only gave him the ball 10 times in the season finale. Unfortunately he's hitting the 30 year old wall... hopefully for him he has a couple good seasons left.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

TJ killed it this year, which is why it's even more mind boggling to me they only gave him the ball 10 times in the season finale. Unfortunately he's hitting the 30 year old wall... hopefully for him he has a couple good seasons left.

Phil, TJ is a relatively lightly used 30-year-old. He's only been a starter for like five seasons. At this point in his career, Curtis Martin had about 500 more carries than TJ does, and he lasted 3-4 more seasons in top form. Plus, TJ is in tremendous shape and like Curtis, he's more of a grinder than a burner, so I think he's got a few more good seasons in him.