Dick Jauron/Turk Schonert/Jets/Dolphins playalong thread

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont buy the Moss/Welker arguement. They had no consistent running game all year. Welker is a good player but hardly a difference maker. He is an excellent slot receiver who gets matched up against the other teams third best corner or a safety. Moss had 11 catches the last 4 games. Cassell was certainly a better QB as the season went on and saying he is garbage is ridiclous. He may not be Johnny U but he is better than what the 49ers, Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Browns, Raiders, Redskins or Lions run out there and he is proven to be a lot better than Clemmons. I have no idea how good Ratliff is but the fact no one bothered to draft him gives me an idea. The thing is there are only a few really top QB's and guys like cassell who can run an offense, manage a game and not make mistakes are valauble guys.

Disagree... I think Welker is very much a difference maker. I'd take him on my mythical team in a heartbeat.

Let me ask you this, phins fan- would you rather have Pennington or Cassell taking snaps for your team next year? For my money, it's Pennington in a heartbeat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Disagree... I think Welker is very much a difference maker. I'd take him on my mythical team in a heartbeat.

Let me ask you this, phins fan- would you rather have Pennington or Cassell taking snaps for your team next year? For my money, it's Pennington in a heartbeat.

Pennington but ask me that in a year I may have a different answer. Cassell had a better season than Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco who are far better comparisons. Welker is more of a product of the "system" than the QB. He is still mostly a slot receiver and was hardly a difference maker with Miami though they did screw up in letting him go.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pennington but ask me that in a year I may have a different answer. Cassell had a better season than Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco who are far better comparisons. Welker is more of a product of the "system" than the QB. He is still mostly a slot receiver and was hardly a difference maker with Miami though they did screw up in letting him go.

Joe Flacco is and will be better than Matt Cassell. Cassell has been in the system for four years and he has had real game experience prior to this year. Flacco was throwing the ball to an 85 year old receiver and one of the ten guys named Mark Clayton that float around the NFL and he did it behind a line that wasnt nearly as good as New England's.

Did he have a better season than those guys? He is home and those guys are in the playoffs. How did he have a better season? Again, inject him into baltimore or atlanta and tell me what he would have done...even with his 4 year advantage in experience.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Joe Flacco is and will be better than Matt Cassell. Cassell has been in the system for four years and he has had real game experience prior to this year. Flacco was throwing the ball to an 85 year old receiver and one of the ten guys named Mark Clayton that float around the NFL and he did it behind a line that wasnt nearly as good as New England's.

Did he have a better season than those guys? He is home and those guys are in the playoffs. How did he have a better season? Again, inject him into baltimore or atlanta and tell me what he would have done...even with his 4 year advantage in experience.

Yeah he has an experience advantage.....holding clipboards. Flacco and Ryan did not have better seasons than Cassell. Making the playoffs may have a little more to do with the Ravens defense and Altantas division than the play of the QB's. Your arguemnets are actually getting more bizzare. Cassell has an experience edge with real game experience? Yeah those 60 passes the last 7 years were the perfect prep.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah he has an experience advantage.....holding clipboards. Flacco and Ryan did not have better seasons than Cassell. Making the playoffs may have a little more to do with the Ravens defense and Altantas division than the play of the QB's. Your arguemnets are actually getting more bizzare. Cassell has an experience edge with real game experience? Yeah those 60 passes the last 7 years were the perfect prep.

Atlanta's division? The NFC South is a million times better than the AFC East, Chuck.. It's the best division in the league.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Atlanta's division? The NFC South is a million times better than the AFC East, Chuck.. It's the best division in the league.

based upon what measure?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

based upon what measure?

Come on. The last-place team is 8-8 and the four teams are ranked 6, 9, 12 and 13 by FO. How could the NFC South possibly be seen as a benign division? You're telling me there's a last-place team that's even close to as good as the Saints? How about a second-to-last place team?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah he has an experience advantage.....holding clipboards. Flacco and Ryan did not have better seasons than Cassell. Making the playoffs may have a little more to do with the Ravens defense and Altantas division than the play of the QB's. Your arguemnets are actually getting more bizzare. Cassell has an experience edge with real game experience? Yeah those 60 passes the last 7 years were the perfect prep.

How is that any more valid than saying the stats the QB put up had more to do with the supporting cast and the system in which he was throwing? What is bizarre about that?

You discount experience of being in the League. Learning a system. Practice. Serving as an understudy to arguably the best QB in the last 10 years. Is this not valuable? Would that not make him more prepared for the NFL than a rookie coming from Delaware???????

What is bizarre about that?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How is that any more valid than saying the stats the QB put up had more to do with the supporting cast and the system in which he was throwing? What is bizarre about that?

You discount experience of being in the League. Learning a system. Practice. Serving as an understudy to arguably the best QB in the last 10 years. Is this not valuable? Would that not make him more prepared for the NFL than a rookie coming from Delaware???????

What is bizarre about that?

You made a ridiclous statement that Flacco and Ryan somehow had more sucessful season because their teams made the playoffs.

Playing anywhere is better experience than practice. This guy never played an important snap in college or the pros before this year. Think about that. Never played an important snap ever in his career. Serving as an understudy is nice but why didnt Dan Marino or Dan Fouts or so many other great QB's understudies come in an play as well as Cassel. The problem is that you want to discredit the guys performance because he played with other good players instead of giving the guy credit for what he DID do despite all the obstacles he had. I am not an NFL scout or coach so I will judge him on what he has done which was play at a high level for a player totally lacking in game experience and improving throughout the season. There was a reason the coach stuck with him instead of bringing in retreads.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You made a ridiclous statement that Flacco and Ryan somehow had more sucessful season because their teams made the playoffs.

Playing anywhere is better experience than practice. This guy never played an important snap in college or the pros before this year. Think about that. Never played an important snap ever in his career. Serving as an understudy is nice but why didnt Dan Marino or Dan Fouts or so many other great QB's understudies come in an play as well as Cassel. The problem is that you want to discredit the guys performance because he played with other good players instead of giving the guy credit for what he DID do despite all the obstacles he had. I am not an NFL scout or coach so I will judge him on what he has done which was play at a high level for a player totally lacking in game experience and improving throughout the season. There was a reason the coach stuck with him instead of bringing in retreads.

So its ridiculous to judge a QB's performance by the success of his team? LOL. How else should we judge them? By stats? You saying that is ridiculous is ridiculous.

I gave him credit for what he did...just not as much credit as you do. The coach saw talent...and a cheap backup. Salary cap management has been vital to this team's success. Why would Belichick/Pioli spend money on a retread when their QB was an iron man and in the prime of his career? A backup with four years of experience and 525k against your cap? He was perfect. Thats why they kept him around...not because he was some kind of diamond in the rough.

If I implied that he had a bad season, it wasnt my intention. I agree...he had a very good season and certainly beyond anyone's expectations. It is certainly arguable that he had a season just as good or better than the guys i named and that argument is valid. I just dont agree thats all.

He may very well go on to be a successful QB. I am just not of the opinion that will happen. Time will tell.