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[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I was there in person for two of Danzig's three races ... the second time specifically to see him run.

Despite his own unsoundness ... he sired some very good race horses ... but you're right ... his line seems to not be breeding on ... although such things can be reversed quite suddenly. Antonius Pius and Survivalist may become the greatest stallions in the world.

The final chapter won't be written for another twenty years.

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now. Danehill's sons are running the board over there. And some Danehills are doing fine in Europe, like Danehill Dancer (who had a G1 winner this morning in Ireland) and Tiger Hill in Germany, not to mention Desert King who sired Makybe Diva (3 Melbourne Cups). Sinndar has had group winners with his oldest only 4, Polish Precedent has sired Pilsudski (BC Turf among other G1 wins) and Rakti (Champion S, etc) and Polish Summer (Sheema Classic). . Lure was subfertile but he left G1 winner Orpen, who is sired a classic winner in his first crop. Bellamy Road will represent him over here, although his dad Concerto is still with us as well. This is not a struggling male line.

[Danzig]

danehill is the sire of rock of gibraltar, as well as cacique, banks hill, dansili, elvstroem, intercontinental, landseer, oratorio....countless others who have earned 6 figures, many millionaires.
as a shuttle stallion danehill has influenced racing from europe to hong kong, from australia to here in the u.s.
langfuhr sired wando and mobil....the influence of northern dancer thru sadlers wells and danehill thru danzig is worldwide, and will remain so thru the sons and daughters of those stallions.

danzig is the top stakes sire in north america by far. sadlers wells, also by northern dancer, is the top in europe. danehill, by danzig completed the triumvirate in australasia.

i'm not sure how much more danzig can do then what he's done....

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now. Danehill's sons are running the board over there. And some Danehills are doing fine in Europe, like Danehill Dancer (who had a G1 winner this morning in Ireland) and Tiger Hill in Germany, not to mention Desert King who sired Makybe Diva (3 Melbourne Cups). Sinndar has had group winners with his oldest only 4, Polish Precedent has sired Pilsudski (BC Turf among other G1 wins) and Rakti (Champion S, etc) and Polish Summer (Sheema Classic). . Lure was subfertile but he left G1 winner Orpen, who is sired a classic winner in his first crop. Bellamy Road will represent him over here, although his dad Concerto is still with us as well. This is not a struggling male line.

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

Wow, you are showing your vast knowledge here Joel.

Let's hear your dissertation on Australian racing and breeding.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Wow, you are showing your vast knowledge here Joel.

Let's hear your dissertation on Australian racing and breeding.

Yeah, alot of champions come from that part of the world, mood...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, alot of champions come from that part of the world, mood...

No, I want to really hear your professional opinion of why the Australian breeding industry is similar to New Jersey's.

You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement.

A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions.

Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?

Originally Posted by moodwalker

No, I want to really hear your professional opinion of why the Australian breeding industry is similar to New Jersey's.

You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement.

A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions.

Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Here are two...

Makybe Diva and Phar Lap

Or maybe Sunline and Might and Power

Zabeel and Strawberry Road.

In the picture of "our" industry they might be small players. And the reason for that is that they have "their" industry that they really don't need to compare to ours. The Australians don't need to come up here and run for our purse money...ever. They have plenty of their own.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Sunline never won the Melbourne Cup.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

No sir, you won't tell me anything.

The reason that American buyers don't go buy Australian horses and bring them here isn't because they are not as good as most other parts of the world. You really think South American and European horses are just better than Australian ones, and that is the reason you see a lot of them here?

I'm glad you have the assurance of having this figured out, but when you stumble across the real reason, feel free to come back on and explain it to everyone in an editorial.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Because the South American horses are running for G1 purses of about $50,000, while in Australia they run for $1,000,000 (2mill Aussie$) G1 purses. it's the same reason we can't go buy the Japanese horses; their purses are big enough that the American buyers can't buy top performers for a song. Most of the Euro horses sold to the US (as opposed to the raiders) were second class over there and the buyers hope they will improve with Lasix and dry turf. Back when I started going to the races, there were several good Aussie and Kiwi runners in the US, especially in California, horses like Daryl's Joy, Broker's Tip II, Divide and Rule, all classic winners back home and winners of races which would later become grade 1 when grading was introduced.

You did notice when Elvstroem won the Dubai Duty Free a year or so ago? Or when the third or fourth best sprinter in Australia, Choisir, went to Royal Ascot and won a G1? Australia/New Zealand is where most of the horses who race in Hong Kong are bred, including Silent Witness. Australian horses run without any drugs and any horse that bleeds after a race is banned from racing after the second occurence. They run on hard, dry turf and wet, soggy turf, left and right handed and down straights, in front of crowds that make ours look pathetic. Racehorses actually race full campaigns and are national heros there, unlike in this country.

I realize that the learned gentleman is not about to let a few facts make a dent in his parochial prejudices. But others who read this board may be interested in investigating the racing in a country where the sport still has the status and visibility that it had in this country 60 years ago.

I'm still waiting for him to produce the post where he claims that I called Sheikh Mo a terrorist. Hes a liar, plain and simple. I deleted or edited nothing, and the administrators here certainly will be able to determine this. He got emotional, misinterpreted something that i said, then made up outright lies. I really expected more out of him than that. I also expected him to go back and take a look and see that he was wrong. Apparently it would dishonor him too much to do so.
Word of advice while writing for the new gig, don't put words in people's mouths and lie about what they said. Most guys won't give you a second interview if you do so.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I really expected more out of him than that.

Bwahahahahaa..

Now this is truly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this thread....this is the quote of the century from you...absolutely the greatest

Your a legend on this chatboard...i wonder sometimes if i come to derbytrail to read about denates and horse topics sometimes - or if i come for a laugh of reading your horse **** ....you are only fooling yourself with this comment....this is like Mike Tyson saying that he is disappointed when the tuna companies kill whales.....HI-LARIOUS, Oracle!

Keep the fun coming...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Bwahahahahaa..

Now this is truly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this thread....this is the quote of the century from you...absolutely the greatest

Your a legend on this chatboard...i wonder sometimes if i come to derbytrail to read about denates and horse topics sometimes - or if i come for a laugh of reading your horse **** ....you are only fooling yourself with this comment....this is like Mike Tyson saying that he is disappointed when the tuna companies kill whales.....HI-LARIOUS, Oracle!

Keep the fun coming...

Ok so produce teh alleged quote or quotes then. It should be a breeze. What you are doing is attempting to draw attention away from the fact that you lied.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ok so produce teh alleged quote or quotes then. It should be a breeze. What you are doing is attempting to draw attention away from the fact that you lied.

i certainly don't have to justify anything to you...You are the hypocrit that was cheering for "America" and Americans versus the world the other day and then slobbered all over Johnny V. - a non-American in you posts.....Hypocrit...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

danehill isn't limited to australia anyway. he shuttled every year til his last couple at stud.
look at the international sires list for 2005 for example. he's third, behind sunday silence and brians time...most stakes winners in europe that year.
fourth in '04 and second in '03.

the one bright spot? langfuhr finished the year last year as #12 in the sire list here..ahead of the likes of unbridleds song, kingmambo and his 300k stud fee..ahead of pulpit, awesome again, fupeg and hennessy to name a few.

was #15 in '04....belong to me #23...ahead of gone west and pulpit....

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now.

Yeah ... but how are they doing in Mongolia and Belarus?

Nobody cares about Australasia, honey ... not even the Australasians.

Stick to cutting and pasting ... and stop insulting everyone else's intelligence with your fatuousness.