Zapper and Bernardini

#1 08-26-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

The Breeders Cup classic will be nothing more than a coronation for Bernardini, its a damn shame he isnt owned by Americans

Well it certainly makes the resident board terrorist sympathizer and the board darley/godolphin suck up resident happy.

irishtrekker · #2 08-26-2006, 06:07 PM

Mike, please, please don't throw words like that around ("terrorist sympathizer"). It makes me sort of sick. You're a really smart guy who knows his stuff, so let that speak for itself.

To continue the thread, I can't envision Bernardini having too much trouble with the older horses now, either. This isn't a particularly strong year for them, although maybe LM will give him a little trouble if they both go to the front. Should be a good Classic.

#3 08-26-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by irishtrekker

Mike, please, please don't throw words like that around ("terrorist sympathizer"). It makes me sort of sick. You're a really smart guy who knows his stuff, so let that speak for itself.

To continue the thread, I can't envision Bernardini having too much trouble with the older horses now, either. This isn't a particularly strong year for them, although maybe LM will give him a little trouble if they both go to the front. Should be a good Classic.

The guy has admitted as much, ask Scuds. It sickens me to be in the presence of such a person, even if its on the net.

Danzig · #4 08-26-2006, 06:12 PM

the jcgc next....

isn't invasor headed there?

Betsy · #5 08-26-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by irishtrekker

Mike, please, please don't throw words like that around ("terrorist sympathizer"). It makes me sort of sick. You're a really smart guy who knows his stuff, so let that speak for itself.

To continue the thread, I can't envision Bernardini having too much trouble with the older horses now, either. This isn't a particularly strong year for them, although maybe LM will give him a little trouble if they both go to the front. Should be a good Classic.

We're all terrorist sympathizers now - either Bernardini fans or people who think Bernardini is a very fine racehorse.

Danzig · #6 08-26-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

We're all terrorist sympathizers now - either Bernardini fans or people who think Bernardini is a very fine racehorse.

well then apparently one hundred percent of the posters here are sympathizers, since everyone is in agreement that he's a very fine racehorse!!

#7 08-26-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

well then apparently one hundred percent of the posters here are sympathizers, since everyone is in agreement that he's a very fine racehorse!!

YOu can count me in that group as well(if thats how some idiot defined it, not realizing the comment was directed at a certain person, not anyone who liked a horse owned by Arabs). I happen to think Henny Hughes is awesome myself.
Amazing that so many supposedly intelligent people can misinterpret a comment and then build on it and add total fiction to it.

Danzig · #8 08-26-2006, 06:20 PM

they're loaded for bear right now. between yesterday and today, my god.....

two of the classics and now a hell of a wknd at saratoga. wonder what's going to happen come bc time....

irishtrekker · #9 08-26-2006, 06:22 PM

Wow, calling me an idiot because I couldn't read your mind...

Can we just get back to talking about the race? Please?

somerfrost · #10 08-26-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

well then apparently one hundred percent of the posters here are sympathizers, since everyone is in agreement that he's a very fine racehorse!!

A fine racehorse indeed but lets not get carried away here...he went 2:01.60 today, setting a rather pedestrian pace and was clearly better than the field. His one challenger, Bluegrass Cat ran his race and tried to pressure Bernardini but nothing else was a factor from start to finish. Bernardini ran the following fractions: 23.53, 24.64, 24.55, 24.11, 24.77...very workmanlike and more than enough but this was not a real test for this horse! Against older horses, he will have to do more! Can't get a feel for how the track was speed-wise today as all the other dirt races were 7f or less...seemed about average at the shorter distances, grade one 7f went in 121.96, a NW2 Alw in 121.95 earlier. Compare this race with replays of the Derby with fractions of 46 flat, 110 4/5 and a final time of 201.36...different track, different everything...not trying to compare times but Barbaro's Derby was so much more impressive visually to me! Lets not play "New kid in town" here....Bernardini is a special horse and may prove to be a great horse, but he's not better than The Bid and Secretariat, not yet proven to me that he's better than Smarty Jones or Afleet Alex! Right now, I still think Barbaro is the best we've seen this year...lets see what happens in the JCGC and the BCC. One last thing...the horse was 2-5 today...this was not a surprise! He faced one legit G-1 horse and that horse was taken out of his normal running style to provide early pressure....

Danzig · #11 08-26-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

A fine racehorse indeed but lets not get carried away here...he went 2:01.60 today, setting a rather pedestrian pace and was clearly better than the field. His one challenger, Bluegrass Cat ran his race and tried to pressure Bernardini but nothing else was a factor from start to finish. Bernardini ran the following fractions: 23.53, 24.64, 24.55, 24.11, 24.77...very workmanlike and more than enough but this was not a real test for this horse! Against older horses, he will have to do more! Can't get a feel for how the track was speed-wise today as all the other dirt races were 7f or less...seemed about average at the shorter distances, grade one 7f went in 121.96, a NW2 Alw in 121.95 earlier. Compare this race with replays of the Derby with fractions of 46 flat, 110 4/5 and a final time of 201.36...different track, different everything...not trying to compare times but Barbaro's Derby was so much more impressive visually to me! Lets not play "New kid in town" here....Bernardini is a special horse and may prove to be a great horse, but he's not better than The Bid and Secretariat, not yet proven to me that he's better than Smarty Jones or Afleet Alex! Right now, I still think Barbaro is the best we've seen this year...lets see what happens in the JCGC and the BCC. One last thing...the horse was 2-5 today...this was not a surprise! He faced one legit G-1 horse and that horse was taken out of his normal running style to provide early pressure....

i agree with one hundred percent of your post.

i think bernardini is a fine racehorse....but MY jury is still out, and will remain so as to where he fits in on any list.

he's nowhere near red and the bid right now.

Betsy · #12 08-26-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

i agree with one hundred percent of your post.

i think bernardini is a fine racehorse....but MY jury is still out, and will remain so as to where he fits in on any list.

he's nowhere near red and the bid right now.

No he's not (what horses are?), but he certainly is at least as good (if not better) than AA or Smarty Jones.........I'd like to know what track records they broke or champions they beat. This colt has the potential to be something very special.......but, there will always be skeptics

And I disagree about Bernardini merely beating a horse who was taken out of his game. Bluegrass Cat was taken out of his game precisely because JV knew that there was no way his horse could possibly win otherwise. Bernardini BC change tactics.......that, to me, says tons about what kind of horse he is. Now Bernardini is going to be penalized because he did merely what he was supposed to do? Hmm, after the Haskell, most people were saying that BC was as good as Bernardini that day and would give him a tough test. Now they're backtracking and detracting from Bernardini because, with 20/20 hindsight, Bernardini was the better horse?

Buffymommy · #13 08-26-2006, 07:30 PM

Well said Somer. Bernardini impressed me today. He is a damn good horse. But to say he is better than Bid or Secretariat? HUH? I say I want some of what they are smoking!

Honestly, I was wondering before the Travers why I am not a Bernardini obsessed person. I think it is because he won the Preakness. My heart cannot get over Barbaro. I think I kinda block Bernardini out. I can only think of that as a reason I am not head over heels for this horse. Does anyone else feel this way?

somerfrost · #14 08-26-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Well said Somer. Bernardini impressed me today. He is a damn good horse. But to say he is better than Bid or Secretariat? HUH? I say I want some of what they are smoking!

Honestly, I was wondering before the Travers why I am not a Bernardini obsessed person. I think it is because he won the Preakness. My heart cannot get over Barbaro. I think I kinda block Bernardini out. I can only think of that as a reason I am not head over heels for this horse. Does anyone else feel this way?

I do! I was dazed after the Preakness, wasn't even sure who won the race...and didn't care! After watching replays, I was very impressed but still felt that Barbaro would have won...! Bernardini's next race was a paid workout and frankly, so was the Travers. Not his fault that he's the best 3yo in training but still...people here constantly ask "who did he beat" when talking about past horses, yet some are willing to anoint this guy as the "greatest ever"...lets watch a couple more races!

Danzig · #15 08-26-2006, 07:36 PM

anyone who thought barbaro ran an incredible derby and was absolutely awed by his performance, which stacked up historically against so many others...and with the supposed curses he sneered at....well, it'll be hard not to look at bernardini and not wonder what if. (and don't forget, his margin today compares to barbaros margin in MAY)

it is too soon to call him the best ever, the best in years...who here will move him ahead of tiznow right now? over sunday silence? unbridled, alysheba?? affirmed, seattle slew, secretariat, the bid, ap indy???? not me!

#16 08-26-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

We're all terrorist sympathizers now - either Bernardini fans or people who think Bernardini is a very fine racehorse.

You are really stupid, really. I never called anyone who liked this horse(I happen to love Henny Hughes as much as you guys love Bernadin) a terrorist sympathizer.

To thee best of my knowledge Sheikh Mo is nothing but an honorable sportsman with a sense of decency.

A particular poster here used to post on ESPN and was outspoken in his defense of those who acted against the US. Scuds spotted him before I did. Note his lack of denial.

We are at war, and before I am a horse racing fan or anything else I am a proud American. The presence of such a person is sickening.

Betsy · #17 08-26-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

You are really stupid, really. I never called anyone who liked this horse(I happen to love Henny Hughes as much as you guys love Bernadin) a terrorist sympathizer.

To thee best of my knowledge Sheikh Mo is nothing but an honorable sportsman with a sense of decency.

A particular poster here used to post on ESPN and was outspoken in his defense of those who acted against the US. Scuds spotted him before I did. Note his lack of denial.

We are at war, and before I am a horse racing fan or anything else I am a proud American. The presence of such a person is sickening.

Then I categorically apologize, Oracle. I'd like to remove my post, but at this point, it's too late. Nuff said on the subject, I agree with you.

And yes, I am stupid because I should have read more closely all the posts on the subject before making a dumb comment. It's an unfortunate habit of mine.

#18 08-26-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

To thee best of my knowledge Sheikh Mo is nothing but an honorable sportsman with a sense of decency.

The Makhtoums are nowhere near being terrorists ...

... they're just kleptocrats ... who rule their little sheikdom with an iron fist under a velvet glove ...

... and keep whatever they want for themselves.

Nice work if you can get it.