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What do you think the socialist parties in America think of the government bailouts? By your logic they should be happy about it right? They aren't. Why? Because they see it for what it is, which is an attempt to prop up global capitalism, which is exactly what true socialists do NOT want. I encourage you to read this article: http://socialistworker.org/2008/10/15/comrade-in-chief The whole thing is interesting, but the real key comes at the end: "The transition from capitalism to socialism can't be a gradual or incremental process by which the state enacts reforms and progressively takes ownership of more and larger chunks of the economy. Rather, socialism represents a radical break with the present system--and depends on the active struggles of workers and their subsequent engagement with every aspect of governing society in their own interest, under the guiding principle of human need before corporate greed." As for what scholars think, I can only tell you that as someone that works in academics in a department where about 75% of the people are marxists, I can assure you that none of them would call the actions taken by the administration in recent weeks/months socialism. Now please feel free to go back to calling people names like hillbilly and loser. It is real classy. |
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Is Roubini a scholar? I would say so. Not to impugn your place in the world of scholars, but i would say his word carries more weight. He calls Bush a socialist. You said No scholar would call Bush a socialist. Wouldnt that make you...WRONG?????? Now try to talk your way out of it classy guy. |
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You can always come across a few guys that disagree. The same holds true with global warming. The people that deny global warming all trot out the one or two guys who deny that it is real and then argue that there is disagreement among scientists....when there isn't really much of a disagreement at all. The fact remains that by MOST intelligent estimates, Bush is not a socialist. I think it stands to reason that the people that actually ARE socialists would be a pretty good judge of who qualifies, and they certainly wouldn't classify Bush as being one of them. |
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Secondly, I assure you that no serious academic would ever categorize George W. Bush as a socialist. He's not even close. Roubini is one of the most respected economists in the world. His opinion would trump 99.9% of any group of scholars out there. I provided a link to his stated opinion which goes with what i am saying. Can you provide anything to prove yours or am I supposed to take your word for it? Not to say that you are dishonest sir, I just want to know if you have anything to substantiate your point that now MOST scholars would not call Bush socialist? |
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However, Roubini's credibility isn't really the issue and he is, as you say, a generally respected economist. As I said the last time we engaged in this discussion, the only way I know that you can learn more about this topic is either to read some books on the history of socialism (I believe I recommended a couple good ones to you last time) or to actually talk with some respected marxist scholars. There are certainly people that call Bush a socialist (mainly people on the right) but it seems that people that do (including Roubini) use a pop-culture definition of the word rather than its generally accepted meaning among academics. Again, I ask you to look at the socialists themselves. Here is their economic platform from this year: http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/economics.html How many of those things do you think George W. Bush would agree with? (Oh and if you read #5 carefully you will see that he would not agree with it at all). I would also encourage you to look at their other platform planks at the bottom of the link and see how many things on there you think Bush would agree with. If he really is a socialist, why does the Socialist Party disagree with him on almost every issue? |
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Your link is to the socialist party. Okay, here is a link to a couple of socialists that think Bush is a socialist. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true Is Hugo Chavez right wing? I would say he is as left as they come and he is calling Bush "comrade". |
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http://mises.org/story/3165 DW Mckenzie, Professor of economics at the coast guard http://mises.org/story/3157 Llewellyn Rockefeller, President of the Mises institute http://mises.org/story/3126 All of these scholars are saying socialists. Do you have anything to back your point? |