Just curious/Obama

SniperSB23 · #1 11-06-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the most part, I believe this to be true. But to not acknowledge that were were a LOT of black people out there that voted on him strictly because he is a black man, and conversely, a lot of white people that wouldn't vote for him for that same reason, is turning a blind eye to the total truth.

I believe that there are many people out there, that if every word that McCain spoke would have come from Obama and every word that Obama spoke would have come from McCain, they still would have chosen the candidate that they did because it wasn't as much about what was said but who was saying them. I hope that I'm more wrong on this than I am right but I don't think I am.

I agree on that and his being black certainly inspired more black people to go and vote that might have just stayed home otherwise. I doubt there were too many that would have voted Republican had the Democrat candidate been white though. I guess it would be interesting to see what would happen if a black man or woman ran on the Republican ticket.

And yeah, definitely true on people voting against him on the color of his skin. Hillary would have won West Virginia by 10 points and been competitive in Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee. But she might not have inspired as many blacks to come out and vote in Virginia and North Carolina.

geeker2 · #2 11-06-2008, 10:17 AM

Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?

philcski · #3 11-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?

No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.

MaTH716 · #4 11-06-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.

What about Monty?, and Garcia to a lesser extend. It's more of a US versus Non-US thing. The whole Ryder Cup thing has turned up the heat reguarding this issue.

geeker2 · #5 11-06-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.

I going to slightly disagree...the caveat I would add is it had an acceptance effect on "older" people. It's nice to see that the younger generations have become color blind - but I can tell you that for many older Americans (let's say in a range of late 40's plus) the life experience was not the case. So to see someone like Tiger who is considered "Black" and has had such success and has truly handled himself in such a "dignified human" way has helped the success of people like Obama.

He has demonstrated more than being a great golfer - he has demonstrated he is a very good human being...and...that is what makes the difference to those that would view him through older eyes.

philcski · #6 11-06-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

I going to slightly disagree...the caveat I would add is it had an acceptance effect on "older" people. It's nice to see that the younger generations have become color blind - but I can tell you that for many older Americans (let's say in a range of late 40's plus) the life experience was not the case. So to see someone like Tiger who is considered "Black" and has had such success and has truly handled himself in such a "dignified human" way has helped the success of people like Obama.

He has demonstrated more than being a great golfer - he has demonstrated he is a very good human being...and...that is what makes the difference to those that would view him through older eyes.

He IS a great human being, which only increases his stature. Unfair of me to not note that previously. Tiger is the f*cking MAN.