The Answer to the Pistons

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Was one of my happier days in sport fandom when the Sixer's got rid of him. He will never, I repeat NEVER, win a championship. His shot selection was piss poor, almost as bad as Iguodala's.

You are just racist towards people with the initials A I

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You are just racist towards people with the initials A I

That could be it, I can't stand either of them.


And Kev, I used to feel the same about Kobe and Eddie Griffin too as i was live for a few hs games of theirs, but that soon wore off and Kobe quickly became an enemy.

AI is no doubt talented, but you can not build a winning team concept around him. Once he left here, we tapped into some potential that went unused for some time and began playing like a team.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

That could be it, I can't stand either of them.


And Kev, I used to feel the same about Kobe and Eddie Griffin too as i was live for a few hs games of theirs, but that soon wore off and Kobe quickly became an enemy.

AI is no doubt talented, but you can not build a winning team concept around him. Once he left here, we tapped into some potential that went unused for some time and began playing like a team.

Didnt the Sixers make it to the NBA finals with Iverson?

[dalakhani]

This is a HOME RUN for the Pistons. Chauncey is 32 and is signed for four more years at 12 million per year. Mcdyess is 34 and signed through 2010 at close to 7 million per. Those are bad contracts. Iverson's contract expires after this year.

The pistons are old and need to rebuild. Dumars is astute enough to realize that.

So what if they don't contend this year? They will be entertaining and they will put out a decent product while they wait to sign Chris Bosh or one of the other big name free agents that will be available within the next two years.

What part am i missing? Dumars does it again! He is one of the best GM's in the game.

[Mortimer]

Ah.



I am agreed with in the sense the Pistons are bagging at least this year.

Good.

Bucher reporting that McDyess will be waived, sit 30 days, and return to the Pistons.

So not a bad trade afterall. McDyess has been a solid contributor to that team.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Bucher reporting that McDyess will be waived, sit 30 days, and return to the Pistons.

So not a bad trade afterall. McDyess has been a solid contributor to that team.

It was a great trade with or without McDyess. Unloading those contracts was HUGE.

If this team had a shot in hell, they wouldnt have turned it over to Michael Curry.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Didnt the Sixers make it to the NBA finals with Iverson?

Didnt they lose in 5?

and I still say they dont make it had they not traded for Mutombo and get clutch contributions from teh likes of George Lynch and Tyrone "the Black Skeletor" Hill.

His shot selection was/is PISS poor and he never drove the ball and kicked it out until his last year here. teams knew that so they never gaurded the perimeter when he drove. He's a great defender and is money from the stripe, but overall he will NEVER get a ring. Isnt that what they practice and play for, besides the money of course?

He cared more about his cronies and his loud a$$ moms more than dedicating himself to making the team better.

[Mortimer]

Don't try to make sense with Dala....it's too stressful.

[Mortimer]

Hey..Dala.

Be Ann Coulter to me tonight because this is it for me...last chance.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Didnt they lose in 5?

and I still say they dont make it had they not traded for Mutombo and get clutch contributions from teh likes of George Lynch and Tyrone "the Black Skeletor" Hill.

His shot selection was/is PISS poor and he never drove the ball and kicked it out until his last year here. teams knew that so they never gaurded the perimeter when he drove. He's a great defender and is money from the stripe, but overall he will NEVER get a ring. Isnt that what they practice and play for, besides the money of course?

He cared more about his cronies and his loud a$$ moms more than dedicating himself to making the team better.

Mutombo was a mere shadow of his former self by the time he was traded to the sixers for what amounted to Theo Ratliff. You are bringing up Tyrone Hill and George Lynch as his supporting cast and then criticizing for "only" getting to the NBA championship and losing to Kobe and Shaq? Philly is a tough town.

I guess it was Stockton's fault Utah didnt win a championship? Or was it Malone's? Was it Barkley's fault he couldnt win in Philly or Phoenix? Ewing's fault he couldnt win one in New York? Reggie Miller's for Indiana? Jason kidd's for New Jersey?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Mutombo was a mere shadow of his former self by the time he was traded to the sixers for what amounted to Theo Ratliff. You are bringing up Tyrone Hill and George Lynch as his supporting cast and then criticizing for "only" getting to the NBA championship and losing to Kobe and Shaq? Philly is a tough town.

I guess it was Stockton's fault Utah didnt win a championship? Or was it Malone's? Was it Barkley's fault he couldnt win in Philly or Phoenix? Ewing's fault he couldnt win one in New York? Reggie Miller's for Indiana? Jason kidd's for New Jersey?

Or was it your failure to comprehend the sarcastic emoticon??

He will go down as a great player. A great me first player. A great ring-less, me first player.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Or was it your failure to comprehend the sarcastic emoticon??

He will go down as a great player. A great me first player. A great ring-less, me first player.

In your book maybe. I think if he had someone to pass it to, he would have. I think his failure to win a ring in philly is more of an indictment on Philly management than on AI's ability as a player. The teams they surrounded him with were terrible.

Lots of great ringless players out there so i guess he is in good company. Winning a ring takes a lot of luck. Iverson just wasnt very lucky. Maybe he gets lucky one of these years as he is winding down his career in a smaller role.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

?

He cared more about his cronies and his loud a$$ moms more than dedicating himself to making the team better.

LOL...how much better could he have made that "team"? They went to the NBA finals. With Todd Macclough logging major minutes, did you actually expect them to win it all?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

That could be it, I can't stand either of them.


And Kev, I used to feel the same about Kobe and Eddie Griffin too as i was live for a few hs games of theirs, but that soon wore off and Kobe quickly became an enemy.

AI is no doubt talented, but you can not build a winning team concept around him. Once he left here, we tapped into some potential that went unused for some time and began playing like a team.

I agree he will most likely never win a Champ., but I still gotta root for him. Only local guys I don't root for are the Vick's


As an aside...I will be home around 8:30. You know where to find me

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

That could be it, I can't stand either of them.


And Kev, I used to feel the same about Kobe and Eddie Griffin too as i was live for a few hs games of theirs, but that soon wore off and Kobe quickly became an enemy.

AI is no doubt talented, but you can not build a winning team concept around him. Once he left here, we tapped into some potential that went unused for some time and began playing like a team.

This is beyond ridiculous. In 1999, they made it to the East semis. In 2000, they did again, going to game six. In 2001, they made it to the NBA finals, with the best record in the East. In 2002, they took Boston to a deciding game in the first round of the playoffs. In 2003, the lost the division title by a game and took the Pistons to six games in the East semis. What the hell have they done since Iverson has been gone? Started playing like a team? A team that can't finish .500 and barely gets a sniff of the playoffs? You'd rather have that than going deep into the conference playoffs or making it to the NBA finals? LOL at tapped into potential that went unused for some time. And did WHAT with it? NOTHING. This post actually made me mad. Like him or hate him but know what the hell you are talking about. Please. Have some basis of truth in what you say.

[Mortimer]

I agree ,KG..outrageous.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is beyond ridiculous. In 1999, they made it to the East semis. In 2000, they did again, going to game six. In 2001, they made it to the NBA finals, with the best record in the East. In 2002, they took Boston to a deciding game in the first round of the playoffs. In 2003, the lost the division title by a game and took the Pistons to six games in the East semis. What the hell have they done since Iverson has been gone? Started playing like a team? A team that can't finish .500 and barely gets a sniff of the playoffs? You'd rather have that than going deep into the conference playoffs or making it to the NBA finals? LOL at tapped into potential that went unused for some time. And did WHAT with it? NOTHING. This post actually made me mad. Like him or hate him but know what the hell you are talking about. Please. Have some basis of truth in what you say.

Simply put, yes. I want a team that will get better together by learning from each other, not a team that relies on one me first, superstar player. This team assembled now is in a much better position to grow and make some real noise in the immediate future than any Sixer team he has ever played on. That is what we as fans want. We want the guys who fulfill their obligations and actually practice, and thrive to make each other more complete players. Not guys that just show up every night to pad their own stats and care more about their box score than teh betterment of the team. (He's not exactly the guy I want shooting the ball when the game is on the line either, but that could just be me though. I want a guy that can shoot over defenders outstretched hands without the fade away, a low percentage shot)

Okay King, sorry I ruffled your feathers ...I've been a lifelong fan of the 76ers and have watched them relentlessly for years. I should have purveyed my statements as opinions, and that is where I lie in fault here. I have a clear disdain for the guy, and I shouldnt have let that put the blinkers on all of his phenominal career accomplishments. He is a GREAT talent, and that will not go overlooked. He is one of the greatest 'small man' talents to ever play the game and is a shoe in for a trip to Springfield on his first ballot of eligibility. With that said, he's just not the easiest of great players to build a winning team around and sustain a few years of success with. Put him on the Lakers last year in Kobe's place and do they even make the playoffs? I think not, but could be wrong. Take Peirce off of the Celts and fill him with in with AI, do they win it all? Its hard to say, as I dont think that Peirce is a better player than AI, I just think he would have messed up the chemistry of the team. I'm sure I'll catch some guff for that, but its my opinion and we're all entitled to one, just as anyone that read your posts knows.

My OPINION is that the Sixers are ALOT better off moving forward without him, then with him. Sure, when you lose a superstar like AI, there is going to be some sort of fallout/regression. In the LONG RUN, they will be a better team without him. These young kids will develop a rapport with guys like Brand and Andre Miller, where as they would have played second fiddle to AI and his sometimes comical shot selection. (I swear thats where Iggy got it from ) They will begin to gel with each other now, grow as a TEAM, as opposed to sitting back and watching AI do his thing night in and night out. That's all I can ask for, for now, and think that this year is when the growth will become visible.

I'll probably get ripped for it, but so be it. That's where I stand on the Sixers with and without the great AI. To me, there is no right or wrong answer/opinion to the discussion of the state of the Sixers, at least for a few years. We will have to wait and see on these post-AI Sixers, see how they fare. I also think that the future is more of a bright one with Stefanski at the helm instead of Billy King, and that can add to as to why they may take an anticipated step forward.

PS... I am eager to see how Roscoe and Prince benefit from/adjust to the acquisition. It makes the East a bit more interesting for sure.