Hank hates Jessica?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How exactly does Joe Tessitore or making your broadcasts unwatchable bring in fans? I have heard this rubbish so many times but if they covered other sports this way they would be roasted for it. If they want to have the weepy features fine but show the freakin races so they can be seen and tone the ridiclous hyperbole down.

I wasn't promoting Tessitore, or the job he does. Although I do not find him all that bothersome, save the over hyping but that is today's society. If something is not near death, record breaking, greatest of all time, etc, people don't really watch the event(i.e. the PGA tour now that Tiger is not playing).

But I what was saying is, take your hard earned racing knowledge and throw it out the window, maybe he actually does make the broadcast enjoyable for the non-hardcore racing degenerates??

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

I wasn't promoting Tessitore, or the job he does. Although I do not find him all that bothersome, save the over hyping but that is today's society. If something is not near death, record breaking, greatest of all time, etc, people don't really watch the event(i.e. the PGA tour now that Tiger is not playing).

But I what was saying is, take your hard earned racing knowledge and throw it out the window, maybe he actually does make the broadcast enjoyable for the non-hardcore racing degenerates??

How does making statements that are obviously wrong, making the races unwatchable by constantly changing angles so that you cant even tell where on the racetrack they are, ignoring logical contenders, having this fantasyland 'analysis' of the races, and plugging every washed up and B list 'star' around do stupid things like call the riders to thier horses, not have a serious discussion of the surface or how it is playing, etc...make a telecast enjoyable for anyone? Since when is the watching public so stupid that they are easily amused by obvious gimmicks? the most popular broadcast sport (the NFL) is also the one sport where the games are dissected (right or wrong) as the viewers have actually watched a game before. Why do they assume that ANYONE watching has never seen a horserace before and will be enthralled by the blimp shot. What other sports do they do this with?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when is the watching public so stupid that they are easily amused by obvious gimmicks?

Apparently you do not watch much television.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the most popular broadcast sport (the NFL) is also the one sport where the games are dissected (right or wrong) as the viewers have actually watched a game before. Why do they assume that ANYONE watching has never seen a horserace before and will be enthralled by the blimp shot. What other sports do they do this with?

The reason the NFL or college football are the most watched is because they are team sports, people enjoy team sports much more so than individual sports. People can relate to their team, their city, their roots, etc... this is the reason for the popularity, it has little to do with the quality of the broadcast team.

As far as assuming that no one has seen a horse race, I agree that the dumbing down to an audience can have a negative effect on your supporting hardcore audience, but THEY know YOU will watch regardless. BECAUSE YOU ARE HARDCORE!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Apparently you do not watch much television.




The reason the NFL or college football are the most watched is because they are team sports, people enjoy team sports much more so than individual sports. People can relate to their team, their city, their roots, etc... this is the reason for the popularity, it has little to do with the quality of the broadcast team.

As far as assuming that no one has seen a horse race, I agree that the dumbing down to an audience can have a negative effect on your supporting hardcore audience, but THEY know YOU will watch regardless. BECAUSE YOU ARE HARDCORE!!

This still makes no sense. You need to dumb down the event or people wont watch?

By the way the reason that the NFL and college football are the most watched is because people are betting on them. The relates to your city crap is what the NFL and NCAA want you to believe. Of the people who watched Boise State/San Jose State last night, how many people were watching because they relate to Idaho or San Jose or do you think more people related to Boise State minus 7?

What I was saying is that on football broadcasts they use "technical" terms and assume that the viewer isnt an idiot and has a clue about what is going on. ESPN's horseracing coverage barely does either. To be honest Fox's baseball broadcasts arent that much better but at least they dont use blimp shots while guys are running the bases.

[TheSpyder]

I think the dumbing down theory has merit. Seems like that is doing with the election and that's working just fine.

Maybe next debate they'll use a blimp (Nice view of Palin's blimps)

The coverage was poor to say the least and if you were new to the sport today and yesterday would not help your enjoyment or knowledge of the sport

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This still makes no sense. You need to dumb down the event or people wont watch?

As a hardcore fan I agree with you, but as a person who understands how TV and advertising works, I have to disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

By the way the reason that the NFL and college football are the most watched is because people are betting on them. The relates to your city crap is what the NFL and NCAA want you to believe. Of the people who watched Boise State/San Jose State last night, how many people were watching because they relate to Idaho or San Jose or do you think more people related to Boise State minus 7?

Crap?? This is the way it is homie, are you telling me that all the people who watch NFL or College teams are only watching because they have action. I know there is a lot of action going on, but you do not understand how high the viewership numbers are, and 90% or higher are not gambling on the games.

The people who watched that game watched because it WAS THE ONLY sporting event on TV at that time.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What I was saying is that on football broadcasts they use "technical" terms and assume that the viewer isnt an idiot and has a clue about what is going on. ESPN's horseracing coverage barely does either. To be honest Fox's baseball broadcasts arent that much better but at least they dont use blimp shots while guys are running the bases.

I actually kind of like the overhead shots of the races. It gives me another angle that I normally do not get to see when watching TVG or the feeds at the OTB.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

As a hardcore fan I agree with you, but as a person who understands how TV and advertising works, I have to disagree with you. Crap?? This is the way it is homie, are you telling me that all the people who watch NFL or College teams are only watching because they have action. I know there is a lot of action going on, but you do not understand how high the viewership numbers are, and 90% or higher are not gambling on the games.

The people who watched that game watched because it WAS THE ONLY sporting event on TV at that time.

I actually kind of like the overhead shots of the races. It gives me another angle that I normally do not get to see when watching TVG or the feeds at the OTB.

yeah 90% of viewers dont have action of the games...Please tell me more.

I am not saying anything as a 'hardcore fan'. NO ONE I know likes the way these events are being shown. And since the ratings on these shows have done nothing but go down maybe one of the morons who design these broadcasts should start listening to us idiots who just dont understand why horse racing has to be portrayed as some kind of gimmick game show instead of a real sport with real people betting real money. But please continue to tell us that the "general public" is enthralled with Hanks Bank and the space shuttle shots. Because god forbid the "general public and nonhardcore" fans are just flocking to the watch the races....

[pba1817]

I think Hank will may be dead soon, so we don't have to deal with that garbage much longer..

The rest of your points I agree with.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah 90% of viewers dont have action of the games...Please tell me more.

I am not saying anything as a 'hardcore fan'. NO ONE I know likes the way these events are being shown. And since the ratings on these shows have done nothing but go down maybe one of the morons who design these broadcasts should start listening to us idiots who just dont understand why horse racing has to be portrayed as some kind of gimmick game show instead of a real sport with real people betting real money. But please continue to tell us that the "general public" is enthralled with Hanks Bank and the space shuttle shots. Because god forbid the "general public and nonhardcore" fans are just flocking to the watch the races....

and that's an excellent point as well. they continue to have bad telecasts, and they continue to go downhill in ratings.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Apparently you do not watch much television.




The reason the NFL or college football are the most watched is because they are team sports, people enjoy team sports much more so than individual sports. People can relate to their team, their city, their roots, etc... this is the reason for the popularity, it has little to do with the quality of the broadcast team.

As far as assuming that no one has seen a horse race, I agree that the dumbing down to an audience can have a negative effect on your supporting hardcore audience, but THEY know YOU will watch regardless. BECAUSE YOU ARE HARDCORE!!

hardcore fans are the only ones watching. i doubt having people call males 'she', confusing trainers, and hyping horses as being some of the best evah will make people who don't care about racing suddenly decide to tune in, kurt russell or no kurt russell.

[TheSpyder]

Well said

Originally Posted by Danzig

hardcore fans are the only ones watching. i doubt having people call males 'she', confusing trainers, and hyping horses as being some of the best evah will make people who don't care about racing suddenly decide to tune in, kurt russell or no kurt russell.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hardcore fans are the only ones watching. i doubt having people call males 'she', confusing trainers, and hyping horses as being some of the best evah will make people who don't care about racing suddenly decide to tune in, kurt russell or no kurt russell.

NO, the majority of hardcore fans were at tracks and OTB's across the country betting on the BC. So again, you are wrong.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

NO, the majority of hardcore fans were at tracks and OTB's across the country betting on the BC. So again, you are wrong.

i'm hardcore, i was at home. otbs/tracks aren't exactly doable for a lot of people.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm hardcore, i was at home. otbs/tracks aren't exactly doable for a lot of people.

They are for most of the 'hardcore" fans I have ever met...

Maybe our definition of "hardcore" is different.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm hardcore, i was at home. otbs/tracks aren't exactly doable for a lot of people.

!

....it was a good day for me anyway.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by pba1817

NO, the majority of hardcore fans were at tracks and OTB's across the country betting on the BC. So again, you are wrong.

I beg to differ. Alot fo the hardcore ARE watching at home because between phone and internet you can play the races as easily from your couch as at a simulcast, and the beer is cheaper. In the early days of the Cup, you went to the Cup or watched on TV or at an OTB. Then more and more simulcast became available and you watchedat your local track. Then as ADW became available people realized that it was cheaper and fun to watch at home, maybe have friends over or watch and follow via blogs and bb's.
That said, the networks have not done a service to the horseplayers tha are watching.
The blimp shot is great for replaying the race but dreadful for the live action. I hate all the jumping around. (I was sure I was going to win with Westphalia until I realized I had 1/16 to go!) The dopey interviews to the exclusion of real time odds etc is insanity. Breaking for commercials with 90 seconds to post is infuriating. The networks need to at least now and then acknowledge that unlike baseball and football, in racing the betting is LEGAL and that the entire game is in fact funded by it!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Linny

I beg to differ. Alot fo the hardcore ARE watching at home because between phone and internet you can play the races as easily from your couch as at a simulcast, and the beer is cheaper. In the early days of the Cup, you went to the Cup or watched on TV or at an OTB. Then more and more simulcast became available and you watchedat your local track. Then as ADW became available people realized that it was cheaper and fun to watch at home, maybe have friends over or watch and follow via blogs and bb's.
That said, the networks have not done a service to the horseplayers tha are watching.
The blimp shot is great for replaying the race but dreadful for the live action. I hate all the jumping around. (I was sure I was going to win with Westphalia until I realized I had 1/16 to go!) The dopey interviews to the exclusion of real time odds etc is insanity. Breaking for commercials with 90 seconds to post is infuriating. The networks need to at least now and then acknowledge that unlike baseball and football, in racing the betting is LEGAL and that the entire game is in fact funded by it!

This is true, hope you had a good day as usual "you" guys do a great job at the "mother ship"

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hardcore fans are the only ones watching. i doubt having people call males 'she', confusing trainers, and hyping horses as being some of the best evah will make people who don't care about racing suddenly decide to tune in, kurt russell or no kurt russell.

Randy Moss, who should know better, called Dancing Forever a "she" several times. I wanted to scream.

The overhead camera angle drove me nuts - why try to reinvent the wheel? When I watch a baseball game, the best and simplest shot is from center field. Period. I don't need razzle dazzle to watch a race - just let me see the horses.