Dodgers in Series would overlap Cup

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Judging their performance over the past 2 games, I don't think there will be a
scheduling conflict

Billygoat, Furcal, and Kemp have all choked. I'm surprised Furcal has been choking, but when that guy bunts it right back to the pitcher, then he is very tight. The other 2, I am used to it by now. When the Dodger starters don't have it, then the game is pretty much over, because Torre isn't gunna take them out until they've completely destroyed the game. He feels that is respect. I think it's stupid, but Lasorda did the same thing. Can't do that tonite. If Kuroda doesn't have it, then he can't wait until he's down by 6. Put Kershaw in, or brother Lurch etc. Better not just sit there if they score 4 in the 1st 2 innings. IT'S CALLED MANAGEMENT. HE PISSED AWAY GAME 2 BY SITTING ON HIS A-S-S UNTIL BILLYGOAT HAD BOTCHED IT LIKE A BAD PLASTIC SURGERY. They paying him 4.5 mil to sit there when I guy obviously can't locate. Get the fck out there old man. God forbide ya take out a guy at the right time (for once.) I ain't saying We should beat a team that is simply executing much better, but give your team a chance. Find a g damn hook. O.K., YA LEFT BILLYGOAT IN FOREVER. THAT DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD? Not like the guy can locate each time. Got blown apart early in Pittsburgh(in deep September.) Not like it's a surprise, but still you sit like you are glued down.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Billygoat, Furcal, and Kemp have all choked. I'm surprised Furcal has been choking, but when that guy bunts it right back to the pitcher, then he is very tight. The other 2, I am used to it by now. When the Dodger starters don't have it, then the game is pretty much over, because Torre isn't gunna take them out until they've completely destroyed the game. He feels that is respect. I think it's stupid, but Lasorda did the same thing. Can't do that tonite. If Kuroda doesn't have it, then he can't wait until he's down by 6. Put Kershaw in, or brother Lurch etc. Better not just sit there if they score 4 in the 1st 2 innings. IT'S CALLED MANAGEMENT. HE PISSED AWAY GAME 2 BY SITTING ON HIS A-S-S UNTIL BILLYGOAT HAD BOTCHED IT LIKE A BAD PLASTIC SURGERY. They paying him 4.5 mil to sit there when I guy obviously can't locate. Get the fck out there old man. God forbide ya take out a guy at the right time (for once.) I ain't saying We should beat a team that is simply executing much better, but give your team a chance. Find a g damn hook. O.K., YA LEFT BILLYGOAT IN FOREVER. THAT DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD? Not like the guy can locate each time. Got blown apart early in Pittsburgh(in deep September.) Not like it's a surprise, but still you sit like you are glued down.

Surprised it took Dodger fans so long to see how badly Torre manages pitchers. He got a lot dumber when the choice was more complicated than "lefty Stanton, righty Nelson..hey Zim is it the ninth inning? We better bring in Rivera."
Don't get me wrong I love Torre for winning 4 WS with the Yankees, but he was not exactly Miller Huggins in the dugout.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Surprised it took Dodger fans so long to see how badly Torre manages pitchers. He got a lot dumber when the choice was more complicated than "lefty Stanton, righty Nelson..hey Zim is it the ninth inning? We better bring in Rivera."
Don't get me wrong I love Torre for winning 4 WS with the Yankees, but he was not exactly Miller Huggins in the dugout.

Joe is tough on his bullpen. Ask Scott Proctor how he feels since his arm was amputated due to overuse.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Joe is tough on his bullpen. Ask Scott Proctor how he feels since his arm was amputated due to overuse.

I don't understand how that's up to him. That's going to be determined by his starters. Sometimes, the starter just can't locate. You can do what Joe did Friday, and wait until the game is out of reach, or you can go to the pen. Neither option is good, but in the post, I think you have to get Billygoat out, because he has a history of showing up to pitch without any ability to locate like a major league pitcher(as I said, he did exactly the same thing in Pittsburgh last month.) This is nothing unexpected with this pitcher. I've seen him do it many times, an obviously Joe has too. Well, I have only watched this manager for one year, and IMO his main fault is he waits too long to yank starters(especially in situations like Billygoats the other day.) It's not Like Lowe hasn't done exactly what he did the other night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280806124

If you saw that game, you'd of been begging Joe to take Lowe out after that 1st home run Thursday Night. Joe repeated this mistake. Didn't learn his lesson from this game against St. Louis. Yes, I'd of yanked him in both games (after the 1st home run.) Then, last month Billygoat put up this incredibly bad effort:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280917123

He gave up 6 earned runs in 4 innings, but Joe ignored that this last Friday, and sat there while the guy repeated it. Don't get me wrong. They aren't playing well. It's not the manager's fault that Lowe threw batting practice in the 6th inning, or that Furcal choked a throw so very badly. It's not his fault that Billygoat could do no locating after the 1st inning on Friday. I'm just saying that he has seen this before, and he repeated the same mistake of leaving them in too long. He's a "pitcher's manager." Pitchers like to stay in there no matter how badly they are pitching. Then, they feel just as bad (or worse) later when they have given up 6 earned runs. They are gunna feel bad either way(you yank them earlier than they want, or wait until after they've bombed.) There are times when Billygoat is throwing walks, and has a high pitch count, but can keep getting out of trouble. A manager gets paid to be able to distinguish that from a total lack of location. You can't just sit there when somebody is throwing stuff down the center against a good team.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I don't understand how that's up to him. That's going to be determined by his starters. Sometimes, the starter just can't locate. You can do what Joe did Friday, and wait until the game is out of reach, or you can go to the pen. Neither option is good, but in the post, I think you have to get Billygoat out, because he has a history of showing up to pitch without any ability to locate like a major league pitcher(as I said, he did exactly the same thing in Pittsburgh last month.) This is nothing unexpected with this pitcher. I've seen him do it many times, an obviously Joe has too. Well, I have only watched this manager for one year, and IMO his main fault is he waits too long to yank starters(especially in situations like Billygoats the other day.) It's not Like Lowe hasn't done exactly what he did the other night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280806124

If you saw that game, you'd of been begging Joe to take Lowe out after that 1st home run Thursday Night. Joe repeated this mistake. Didn't learn his lesson from this game against St. Louis. Yes, I'd of yanked him in both games (after the 1st home run.) Then, last month Billygoat put up this incredibly bad effort:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280917123

He gave up 6 earned runs in 4 innings, but Joe ignored that this last Friday, and sat there while the guy repeated it. Don't get me wrong. They aren't playing well. It's not the manager's fault that Lowe threw batting practice in the 6th inning, or that Furcal choked a throw so very badly. It's not his fault that Billygoat could do no locating after the 1st inning on Friday. I'm just saying that he has seen this before, and he repeated the same mistake of leaving them in too long. He's a "pitcher's manager." Pitchers like to stay in there no matter how badly they are pitching. Then, they feel just as bad (or worse) later when they have given up 6 earned runs. They are gunna feel bad either way(you yank them earlier than they want, or wait until after they've bombed.) There are times when Billygoat is throwing walks, and has a high pitch count, but can keep getting out of trouble. A manager gets paid to be able to distinguish that from a total lack of location. You can't just sit there when somebody is throwing stuff down the center against a good team.

He killed Proctor in 2006. 81 games and 102 innings. 2 times pitched in both ends of a double header, 19 times on no rest, 36 times on one day and 17 on 2 days rest. Any wonder why he imploded this year? He falls in love with guys and just rides them till they are dead. Honestly he didnt do a bad job with the bullpen this year considering Saito got hurt. Having Rivera seemed to be a luxury he depended everything else on in NY. As long as he had him he didnt seem to care if he burned out the rest of the pen. Then he would also under utilize guys he lost faith in where they were never sharp from inactivity. He obviously is a good manager but his pitching decisions are seemingly his weakest link.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playof...ory?id=3637274

OMG.......You just can't do this crap. Wow..........He's been sporadic from the beginning of his career here. How can he do that? Anybody would of hit those pitches. The pitch Chan Ho got beat on was a major league piece of hitting. Everything else was just bad pitching galore. No wonder Billygoat keeps having a blown start in every 3rd or 4th start. He hasn't progressed mentally. Still the same guy with incredible stuff, but a weak mind. Whoever gets this guy to mature, will get a 20 game winner. I'm starting to doubt if it's gunna be us. I have seen the same act for over 2 years. His stuff is getting better, but he is not maturing mentally. Chicago would have probably got to him if we didn't get the errors and key hits early in game 2 against them. I doubt Billy's breaking stuff would have been biting like it did that night. He's just not professional enough to be dominant, but he has dominant stuff. I'm guessing, if we traded him to St. Louis, he would win 20 games next year. Just a wild guess. That's a 20 game winner type that keeps getting in his own damn way. When you call out another player(on your own team) it's like giving your opponent intravenous B Vitamins. Thanks, for killing our chem. Didn't this catcher call all 3 games against the Cubs(pitching staff gave up 6 runs in 3 games,) but he is calling the wrong pitches? Your responsible for the pitches that leave your fkn hand. Grow up(please.)

"All of a sudden, strange things happen," Torre said. "Very unexpected and certainly something that we certainly weren't prepared for. ".................Oh, come on. It was a very real possibility. He's either great,mediocre, or awful(I would give those probabilities of 15%, 65%, and 20%.) Get your head outcha a-s-s.