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Old 10-07-2008, 03:15 PM
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To defend this call is to completely ignore momentum and its effects on this game. All Aybar had to do was hit the ball somewhere and the Angels win. Even if he struck out or popped out, Figgins, who's red hot, is on deck. The risk overwhelmingly outweighed the reward. But you've become the biggest curmudgeon on this board, so I'd expect an argument from you. If I told you the sun rose in the east, you'd tell me it actually came from the north northeast.
Momentum? I have never heard of momentum used as a reason to make a play or not in baseball. I do know that the hitter at bat was far from a cinch to "hit the bal somewhere" as you have put it. The call wasnt the issue, it was the lack of execution. Had the Red Sox been pitching out on that pitch I would have said that it was brilliant on franconas part. But when a major league started cant make contact on a easilly hittable pitch, I find it hard to believe that it is the managers fault. Especially in light of the offensive problems that The Angels have had. You are a typical fan who always blames the manager or coach. They lost because they left a shitload of guy on base during the series, not because a manager called for a squeeze play with a bad hitter. Of course that fact is convientely forgotten. You want to call me a curmudegon yet your point is they had momentum? I thought you would at least told me that someone was in foul trouble or the clock was running out....

It has become a complete waste of time to try to talkabout anything around here because no one seems to want to discuss what happened or why, just call names when they dont agree...
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:27 PM
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...-scioscia-game

at least one other guy agrees with me, outside of docicu...
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:38 PM
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...-scioscia-game

at least one other guy agrees with me, outside of docicu...
If it's any consolation, so do I. But being a Brit, what do I know
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:42 PM
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For a team that recorded 100 wins during the regular season, their run differential (+68) wasn't as high as you would think it would be. Then again, the Cubs (+184) led the league in that category...and they are at Scavs celebrating another first round sweep.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:44 PM
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For a team that recorded 100 wins during the regular season, their run differential (+68) wasn't as high as you would think it would be. Then again, the Cubs (+184) led the league in that category...and they are at Scavs celebrating another first round sweep.
Momentum...
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:55 PM
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Momentum...
Ever heard of the term "new life"? It's what the Red Sox got. It's intangible, but it helped. If you honestly think the Red Sox suddenly being able to hit Shields in the ninth after being totally inept in the eighth had nothing to do with that horrendous call by Scioscia, I can't even talk to you. Not everything that affects games is tangible.

What color is the sky? I say blue, but I anticipate a fervent debate.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:16 PM
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Ever heard of the term "new life"? It's what the Red Sox got. It's intangible, but it helped. If you honestly think the Red Sox suddenly being able to hit Shields in the ninth after being totally inept in the eighth had nothing to do with that horrendous call by Scioscia, I can't even talk to you. Not everything that affects games is tangible.

What color is the sky? I say blue, but I anticipate a fervent debate.
I love scuds despite his sometimes unusual takes but at least I know he watches baseball. You seem to come from the Brent Musberger school of thought where intangibles are everything and coaches are like puppet masters.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:30 PM
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Momentum? I have never heard of momentum used as a reason to make a play or not in baseball. I do know that the hitter at bat was far from a cinch to "hit the bal somewhere" as you have put it. The call wasnt the issue, it was the lack of execution. Had the Red Sox been pitching out on that pitch I would have said that it was brilliant on franconas part. But when a major league started cant make contact on a easilly hittable pitch, I find it hard to believe that it is the managers fault. Especially in light of the offensive problems that The Angels have had. You are a typical fan who always blames the manager or coach. They lost because they left a shitload of guy on base during the series, not because a manager called for a squeeze play with a bad hitter. Of course that fact is convientely forgotten. You want to call me a curmudegon yet your point is they had momentum? I thought you would at least told me that someone was in foul trouble or the clock was running out....

It has become a complete waste of time to try to talkabout anything around here because no one seems to want to discuss what happened or why, just call names when they dont agree...

Hell...you gave my boy away and I didn't even call you a name. At least not to your face anyways
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:33 PM
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Hell...you gave my boy away and I didn't even call you a name. At least not to your face anyways
I can get him back and send him to you..

then I can be called an indian giver too..
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:36 PM
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I can get him back and send him to you..

then I can be called an indian giver too..

It's okay. I know how sensitive you are to being called names...
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:47 PM
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It's okay. I know how sensitive you are to being called names...
I dont mind the names when valid points or a good discussion is going on. Hell no one calls me more names than Scuds and he has more inane theories than anyone.
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