10/3 (KEE): First Lady & Alcibiades (Gr. I's)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Call me crazy... but I have no idea how any of these 2 yo's will run on this surface.

You're not crazy. You seem to be one of the few who prefers racing to roulette.

[Bobby Fischer]

The first thing that you notice in this edition of the Acibiades is the lack of turf routers. Evident that a top 5(maybe top 10) 2yo filly turf router could earn a placing here, probably much easier and more prestigious than alternative turf stakes placing.

Devotee should really benefit from having quicker opposing speed. Coa will be forced to rate just a bit off the leaders. Probably see her handle the poly and distance.

Dream Empress is kind of a 7f turf filly with moderate ability, but she can pick up some pieces here with a steady finish.


Then there is Bon Jovi Girl who looks cheap but could suck-up for a piece with a conservative ride.

The rest are sprinters.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

The first thing that you notice in this edition of the Acibiades is the lack of turf routers. Evident that a top 5(maybe top 10) 2yo filly turf router could earn a placing here, probably much easier and more prestigious than alternative turf stakes placing.

Devotee should really benefit from having quicker opposing speed. Coa will be forced to rate just a bit off the leaders. Probably see her handle the poly and distance.

Dream Empress is kind of a 7f turf filly with moderate ability, but she can pick up some pieces here with a steady finish.


Then there is Bon Jovi Girl who looks cheap but could suck-up for a piece with a conservative ride.

The rest are sprinters.

They are all in the Miss Grillo trying to get a spot in the BC Juvy Fillies Turf.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not trying to be a di.ck and I get what you are saying, but at this point, does anyone even know who the top 5 or 10 2 year old filly turf routers are?

It all depends. When you looked at the field for the Alcibiades, a main track Grade 1, was the first thing you noticed a lack of turf runners?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No. But I also didn't look at the Alcibiades on the poly and notice a lack of turf runners.

i looked at it and like a lot of times am disapointed that this is a grade 1

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No. But I also didn't look at the Alcibiades on the poly and notice a lack of turf runners.

That was classic. After all that "first glance lack of 2yo turf runners" stuff from BF, sure enough the runaway winner of the race was a filly coming off the turf (with a big Beyer for the field) that went off 2nd favorite.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

After all that "first glance lack of 2yo turf runners" stuff from BF, sure enough the runaway winner of the race was a filly coming off the turf (with a big Beyer for the field) that went off 2nd favorite.

told u so lol.

- unfortunately although i think i may have picked the Alcibiades, the Grillo,
AND did some arm-chair owner/trainer moves as well

- I lost $24 on Amanwella

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

told u so lol.

I hope you're joking.

While you're point of looking for turf runners on Keeneland's polytrack was certainly valid (though not particularly a revelation), you were way off base with your analysis.

Firstly, there wasn't a "lack of turf fillies". 2 of the 7 runners started on turf. Secondly, you said Dream Empress was a useful "sprint" turf filly, even though her maiden win was in a route. Thirdly, you considered her of modest ability, even though she had the highest Beyer figure in the field for a two turn race. Not to mention she was favored in both prior starts and was 3rd choice on the morning line and actual betting favorite until a couple of minutes before post time.

[blackthroatedwind]

The most interesting thing about the 2YO stakes at Keeneland this weekend is that they are further ( and probably unnecessary ) proof that Keeneland now has two turf courses and no " main " track, so to speak. Look at who won the Alcibiades and look at the travesty that is the Breeder's Futurity on Saturday ( and then compare it to the loaded Champagne ). Keeneland has forced genuine dirt horses to go elsewhere and is rewarding either turf horses or mediocrities. Look at the field for the Spinster for even more proof.....if you somehow need it.

If people like to bet Polytrack, that's great, and I don't criticize that. However, to suggest it bears any resemblence to dirt racing, and to equate the accomplishments of horses in major races on that surface to those that succeed in major dirt races is absolute folly.

[CSC]

To me the big thing from day one at Keeneland was being caught off guard at how kind speed was playing yesterday from what I remember since the inception of this particular Polytrack surface from the old dirt track. I'm a little more confused on how I should play Keeneland today because of this.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not trying to be a di.ck and I get what you are saying, but at this point, does anyone even know who the top 5 or 10 2 year old filly turf routers are?

fair question.
I think you would pretty much have to go by a good animal who has good turf breeding, and trust the trainer's judgement that he has a pretty good turf routing filly on his hands...

Taking a peek at the Miss Grillo, there aren't even that many great turf pedigrees in there. Maybe turf isn't what's hot, or maybe the few classy ones aren't being unveiled at 2?


I am really driving at a turf horse who may not be quite good enough to win(or even place?) the Miss Grillo, but could boost her resume and earnings with a placing in Acibiades.
Maram looks like she could be a good candidate, after looking over the Grillo PPs, but take it easy if she wins the Grillo

[Bobby Fischer]

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