Peppers Pride goes for 12 in a row!

[my miss storm cat]

So let me get this straight.....

Some people complain about early retirements. She's 5 anyway...

Some complain that connections don't actually race their horses enough...

She's won how many races now?

Good for racing? Check. Nice human interest angle... local girl makes good. New fans have to come from somewhere.

On the flipside she's somehow earned the wrath of some people (?).

Yeah that makes a whole lotta sense.

Maybe it's me... maybe I'm crazy.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

So let me get this straight.....

Some people complain about early retirements. She's 5 anyway...

Some complain that connections don't actually race their horses enough...

She's won how many races now?

Good for racing? Check. Nice human interest angle... local girl makes good. New fans have to come from somewhere.

On the flipside she's somehow earned the wrath of some people (?).

Yeah that makes a whole lotta sense.

Maybe it's me... maybe I'm crazy.

And some complain when horses duck competition, and that's exactly what is going on here. Hasn't she run over a 90 Beyer before? Why not take a shot in open company?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And some complain when horses duck competition, and that's exactly what is going on here. Hasn't she run over a 90 Beyer before? Why not take a shot in open company?

Exactly....

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And some complain when horses duck competition, and that's exactly what is going on here. Hasn't she run over a 90 Beyer before? Why not take a shot in open company?

Gee cuz winning every race just isnt good enough, lets take a shot at open company get trounced and make less money . IF it aint broke dont fix it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Gee cuz winning every race just isnt good enough, lets take a shot at open company get trounced and make less money . IF it aint broke dont fix it.

Winning means nothing if it is against nothing. If USC dropped out of the P10 and exclusively scheduled 12 D3 opponents each year would anyone be impressed if they set the record for most consecutive wins and wouldn't there be a backlash against them for playing no one?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Winning means nothing if it is against nothing. If USC dropped out of the P10 and exclusively scheduled 12 D3 opponents each year would anyone be impressed if they set the record for most consecutive wins and wouldn't there be a backlash against them for playing no one?

Bad example. USC would still find a way to blow one game a year against one of those D3 opponents.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bad example. USC would still find a way to blow one game a year against one of those D3 opponents.

Good point. So I guess Pepper's Pride is at least better than USC.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Winning means nothing if it is against nothing. If USC dropped out of the P10 and exclusively scheduled 12 D3 opponents each year would anyone be impressed if they set the record for most consecutive wins and wouldn't there be a backlash against them for playing no one?

That makes really no sense at all to compare a horse race which runs for a purse and a football game that doesnt. The horse isnt playing towards a national championship.

Let me use Lucky Island for example. WAS a great horse until he stumbled out of the gate 2 back at Saratoga and learned how to lose. Look at the horses last race, ran up the track again. Once a horse finally loses a race and sees nothing changes they dont have the will to win anymore. Why risk getting the horse beat???

Im almost 1000% posititive, lets call it 999% that the connections could care less if you are "impressed" or not with how many races they win in a row and how they do it. Im sure all they care about is keeping the horse sound and winning everytime they race.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kgar311

That makes really no sense at all to compare a horse race which runs for a purse and a football game that doesnt. The horse isnt playing towards a national championship.

Let me use Lucky Island for example. WAS a great horse until he stumbled out of the gate 2 back at Saratoga and learned how to lose. Look at the horses last race, ran up the track again. Once a horse finally loses a race and sees nothing changes they dont have the will to win anymore. Why risk getting the horse beat???

Im almost 1000% posititive, lets call it 999% that the connections could care less if you are "impressed" or not with how many races they win in a row and how they do it. Im sure all they care about is keeping the horse sound and winning everytime they race.

We may have the most flagrant abuse of the word "great" of all time.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

We may have the most flagrant abuse of the word "great" of all time.

If thats all you can come back with on top of your completely ignorant postings lets try a really good sprinter. Horse will never be the same again. But according to you instead of maybe stepping the horse down to get his act back together he should go right to the breeders cup sprint because hey if he aint beating the best he aint beating anyone right???

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Im sure all they care about is keeping the horse sound and winning everytime they race.

... and there's nothing wrong with that.

It must be quite a thrill..... hope she wins again.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And some complain when horses duck competition, and that's exactly what is going on here. Hasn't she run over a 90 Beyer before? Why not take a shot in open company?

I don't presume to know why people make the choices they do... isn't there a chance that this is just good enough? That her connections are comfortable with this?

I can understand questioning their choices but NOT the disdain...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I don't know presume to know why people make the choices they do... isn't there a chance that this is just good enough? That her connections are comfortable with this?

I can understand questioning their choices but NOT the disdain...

I couldn't care less what her connections are comfortable with. What I do care about is people placing any importance on this feat and possibly even considering that it should count as the record for most consecutive wins. That is where the disdain comes in.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I couldn't care less what her connections are comfortable with. What I do care about is people placing any importance on this feat and possibly even considering that it should count as the record for most consecutive wins. That is where the disdain comes in.

C'mon Sniper... you're better than that. You're a very sharp guy and I've learned a lot from you.

In terms of historical perspective no one is gonna remember her as more than a sidebar..... no one is saying she's a great.

Why is it so hard to accept her record for what it is?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Why is it so hard to accept her record for what it is?

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

... beacuse the reality is she's not gonna take their place, historically speaking.

People aren't stupid. They're never gonna compare her with the greats.

She'll be a nice, little aside.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

Heaven forbid she takes that record away form Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams too!!! How come you didnt mention them?? Any horse that wins 17 races in a row deserves the record. Oh and by the way in case people dont know this 12 of the wins were in stakes races. Albeit against NM breds but its not like she racing in 4000 claiming races and mopping up old broken down horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

this pretty much helps my miss storm cats argument about the record not boosting peppers pride's standing historically.

everyone talks about citation and cigar when they speak of this great record. but where's mention of mister frisky and hallowed dreams? exactly! they aren't there, because no one cares about them. just like peppers pride will be a trivial spot in history, but cigar and citation will still be revered, record holder or not.
it's not as tho man o war has been forgotten because records he set are long-broken.