Is Tiger a more dynamic athlete than Jordan?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Lol

Didn't that 16-year-old chick (Wie) make the cut in men's event?

That's like Maria Sharapova making it to the 4th round on the men's side of the Australian Open.

Yeah, those golfers are some athletes.....lol

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

Somer I can be critical, but I also "love" too
there are some horses, ballplayers, etc, I'm crazy about
so call me a "hater" but the question was Tiger or MJ
I picked MJ
in fact some of that socialogical impact Tiger has is really negative
not really by any doing of his own
but now ya got every daddy and mommy wanting Little Bobby
to be the next protege', the next Tiger Woods
who goes on Bob Hope and says he'll be the best and does it
he's 1 in a million, and the socialogical effect has been a false reality
presented to children by their parents

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

Please, somerfrost

Sure it takes a lot of skill to be a successful golfer, but in what real sport can a 16yo girl compete successfully against the best male athletes?.....tennis?.....basketball?.....track & field?.....boxing?

Golf is a game.....like bowling and billiards.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Please, somerfrost

Sure it takes a lot of skill to be a successful golfer, but in what real sport can a 16yo girl compete successfully against the best male athletes?.....tennis?.....basketball?.....track & field?.....boxing?

Golf is a game.....like bowling and billiards.

Well, Julie Krone competed rather successfully against men, beat them constantly in fact. Wie hasn't "beaten" the men, she qualified in a tourney. The other sports...well, they are one-on-one sports, you compete directly against another person(s)...golf, you are playing against the course. If it was match play against the best men, she'd not last long if at all. The best golfers, even Tiger, can have bad days...he missed the cut in the Open (obviously there was a reason) but he missed the cut! Wie drives over 300 yards, that means that physically she is on a man's level in golf, that's like a woman hitting Nolan Ryan's fastball over the center field fence...I bet if a woman comes along who can do that, she'd be playing in the majors! If a woman can fly down the lane and complete a 360 degree slam over Shaq, she'll be in the NBA! You are taking a single unbelievable talent...a freak of nature...and using her to discredit a sport, that's not fair! The average pro woman's golfer cannot compete against the men, and the average older pro goes on the senior tour...ever notice how they dominate there the first few years they are eligible?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, Julie Krone competed rather successfully against men, beat them constantly in fact. Wie hasn't "beaten" the men, she qualified in a tourney. The other sports...well, they are one-on-one sports, you compete directly against another person(s)...golf, you are playing against the course. If it was match play against the best men, she'd not last long if at all. The best golfers, even Tiger, can have bad days...he missed the cut in the Open (obviously there was a reason) but he missed the cut! Wie drives over 300 yards, that means that physically she is on a man's level in golf, that's like a woman hitting Nolan Ryan's fastball over the center field fence...I bet if a woman comes along who can do that, she'd be playing in the majors! If a woman can fly down the lane and complete a 360 degree slam over Shaq, she'll be in the NBA! You are taking a single unbelievable talent...a freak of nature...and using her to discredit a sport, that's not fair! The average pro woman's golfer cannot compete against the men, and the average older pro goes on the senior tour...ever notice how they dominate there the first few years they are eligible?

But the thing is...you dont have to be a great athlete to play golf at the highest levels. What other "sport" can you say that about? Would anybody confuse John Daly or Ken Perry with even being marginal "athletes"?

Now, can you name me an NBA player that isnt at least a marginal athlete? Even one. The truth is...you cant. How about hockey player? Or football player? Or soccer player? Or tennis player?

What other "sport" can you play where you can be drunk before the game is halfway over? In what other "sport" can an "athlete" like John Daly smoke cigarettes like a chimney WHILE he is playing?

What do golfers do that would be deemed an "athletic" endeavor? Do they run? Jump? lift? does it take good reflexes? quickness of foot? heck- they dont even carry their own bags anymore and one guy can even ride around in a cart!!!

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

[Smooth Operator]

Exactly, dalakhani


Frankly, if I was a pro golfer and some teenage girl made the cut ahead of me, I'd be pretty damn embarrassed.....and probably would seriously consider switching to another profession.

[GPK]

Please name the PGA Tour mens event that she made the cut in...has never happened, nor will it ever happen. I think she may have made the cut in an Asian PGA Tour event, but sh*t...I could make the cut in a few of those events. She simply does not putt well enough. I can say with certainty that I have spent more time around Michelle than the a great deal of the people on Derby Trail. She is an incredible talent that hits the ball just as far if not farther than alot of men on the PGA Tour, but that alone means nothing. Until she learns to win and improves her short game, she is wasting time on the PGA Tour. She is still 16...she needs to keep her ass on the LPGA tour and learn to win there so the tour will have a bona fide star waiting in the wings when Annika retires, which will be sooner than most people think.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Exactly, dalakhani


Frankly, if I was a pro golfer and some teenage girl made the cut ahead of me, I'd be pretty damn embarrassed.....and probably would seriously consider switching to another profession.

Michelle hits the ball farther than I could ever dream of hitting it and I have played golf at a high level for an awfully long time.

[Smooth Operator]

Could she punch up a lower score than you over 36 holes, GPK?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

Hell of a lot more involved in Golf. It is the single most difficult game on the planet imo. The game makes me hate myself deeply. Im suprised more people dont commit suicide while playing.

You hit a perfect putt right on line, perfect speed its going in ...a grain of sand and a slight puff of wind and around the rim of the cup. God help me. And I suck so bad. Look at a guy like Charles Barkely who was an absolutely fantastic athlete. 6 foot 4 and he could get the ball over anybody down low. INcredible. Watch him swing the golf club and it will make you puke. Such a weird game.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Hell of a lot more involved in Golf. It is the single most difficult game on the planet imo. The game makes me hate myself deeply. Im suprised more people dont commit suicide while playing.

You hit a perfect putt right on line, perfect speed its going in ...a grain of sand and a slight puff of wind and around the rim of the cup. God help me. And I suck so bad. Look at a guy like Charles Barkely who was an absolutely fantastic athlete. 6 foot 4 and he could get the ball over anybody down low. INcredible. Watch him swing the golf club and it will make you puke. Such a weird game.

Of course it is a difficult...GAME. Ive worked over twenty years for my lousy 12 handicap LOL. And if i had cyanide at times on the course...

However, how is it more of an ATHLETIC ENDEAVOR than archery? Or pool? Or bowling? Is it more difficult than any of those? Sure it is. Is it any more of an ATHLETIC ENDEAVOR?

no, it isnt. If it were such an athletic endeavor, i couldnt drink and smoke while i was doing it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Of course it is a difficult...GAME. Ive worked over twenty years for my lousy 12 handicap LOL. And if i had cyanide at times on the course...

However, how is it more of an ATHLETIC ENDEAVOR than archery? Or pool? Or bowling? Is it more difficult than any of those? Sure it is. Is it any more of an ATHLETIC ENDEAVOR?

no, it isnt. If it were such an athletic endeavor, i couldnt drink and smoke while i was doing it.

You can't compare golf to pool or archery. You could compare putting to pool or archery. You don't need to be athletic to putt. But it takes a lot of athleticm to hit a golf ball far. You have to generate serious club-head speed to hit a golf ball 280 yards.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But the thing is...you dont have to be a great athlete to play golf at the highest levels. What other "sport" can you say that about? Would anybody confuse John Daly or Ken Perry with even being marginal "athletes"?

Now, can you name me an NBA player that isnt at least a marginal athlete? Even one. The truth is...you cant. How about hockey player? Or football player? Or soccer player? Or tennis player?

What other "sport" can you play where you can be drunk before the game is halfway over? In what other "sport" can an "athlete" like John Daly smoke cigarettes like a chimney WHILE he is playing?

What do golfers do that would be deemed an "athletic" endeavor? Do they run? Jump? lift? does it take good reflexes? quickness of foot? heck- they dont even carry their own bags anymore and one guy can even ride around in a cart!!!

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

You taken a close look at some baseball players? For that matter, I suspect there are a couple nose tackles in football that I could still outrun...they were showing Warren Sapp last week on the sidelines without his pads and he was as big as the Goodyear Blimp! Is women's baskerball a sport? Lots of women playing there...all could handle anyone on this board. Of course they can't play in the NBA but the WNBA...is it a sport? Is woman's softball a sport? The women's semi-pro football leagues, wanta tell those girls they aren't playing a sport? Is horse racing a sport?

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

John Kruk looks like a real athlete. So does David Wells. And Bob Wickman. Sal Fasano's physique screams world class athlete. Remember Tony Siragusa? And Gilbert Brown. Casey Hampton? How about every offensive lineman in football.

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

John Kruk looks like a real athlete. So does David Wells. And Bob Wickman. Sal Fasano's physique screams world class athlete. Remember Tony Siragusa? And Gilbert Brown. Casey Hampton? How about every offensive lineman in football.

If Pluto is a planet, David Wells should petition to become one as well. Both are dense and have eccentric orbits.

Damn that is one massive man.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

John Kruk looks like a real athlete. So does David Wells. And Bob Wickman. Sal Fasano's physique screams world class athlete. Remember Tony Siragusa? And Gilbert Brown. Casey Hampton? How about every offensive lineman in football.

Pitching still requires strength and endurance. How many John Kruks actually play today? Youve named two players that are over 40 and one that is retired. Is this the exception or the norm?

As for lineman, again, this is uninformed. Do you realize how agile these men are? Do you realize what a testament it is to their athletic ability to be able to carry that much weight but still move the way they do?

Are you also going to tell me that Sumo wrestlers are not great athletes?

[dalakhani]

[quote=somerfrost]You taken a close look at some baseball players? For that matter, I suspect there are a couple nose tackles in football that I could still outrun...they were showing Warren Sapp last week on the sidelines without his pads and he was as big as the Goodyear Blimp! Is women's baskerball a sport? Lots of women playing there...all could handle anyone on this board. Of course they can't play in the NBA but the WNBA...is it a sport? Is woman's softball a sport? The women's semi-pro football leagues, wanta tell those girls they aren't playing a sport? Is horse racing a sport?[/QUOTE

Are you saying nose tackles in the NFL are not incredible atheltes? Do you realize what type of physical endurance it takes to play NFL football? Do you realize the amount of agility and strength it takes to play NFL football in any position besides kicker? Warren Sapp is an amazing athlete. He has to carry alot of weight because he is playing against people that would be able to push him around if he wasnt heavier. Yes, every NFL player is a far better athlete than John Daly would ever dream of being. Size is a big part of the game but the ability to MOVE the way they do while carrying that kind of weight is a testament to their athleticism.

Women's basketball IS a sport. It requires speed, quickness, and reflexes.

Womens softball IS a sport. Same reason.

Is horse racing? Yes, it is. The horses are the athletes.

How is anything you are saying disprove what i said? How is golf anymore of an athletic endeavor than archery?

[Smooth Operator]

Have never seen the girl play, so I'll take your word on the depth of her talent, GPK. And I've hit enough nasty slices in my brief dabbling in the game to realize that it takes a lot of skill and practice to master.

Just that if I was trying to make a living playing golf (and I have no idea if you do), I'd probably have a tough time dealing with finishing behind a 16yo girl.