Go Smarty Go?

miraja2 · #1 09-23-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Huh?
He's had 9 starters, and 4 of them have won the first time out, an absurd percentage! None have tried stakes yet but what else do you want?

He was my all time favorite horse, but I thought he would be a terrible stallion. I'M (happily) being proven wrong.

His offspring just aren't selling for top dollar is the thing. His stud fee is likely to decline considerably unless that changes. Based on everything so far, there is a pretty good chance he ends up up a tremendous flop.
I'm with DrugS on this one though, I think you have to give it a bit more time. For one thing, look at Smarty's pedigree. Smarty is by Elusive Quality who did his best running at age 5. He is out of a Smile mare, and Smile did his best running at age 4. Elusive Quality's top offspring (other than Smarty obviously) is probably Maryfield, and she was at her best at age 6. The point is, it seems like Smarty comes from something of a late developing family. It seems at least possible, therefore, that while he might not sire the flashiest yearlings or the stoutest 2yos, he might end up being a decent sire of 3yo+ racehorses. It is hard to judge these things when his progeny have been only racing for a couple of months and they are all 2yos.
His sales #s aren't great, and his at the track numbers are too few to be meaningful. It is just a lot of pretty meaningless guesswork at this point.

dalakhani · #2 09-23-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not trying to be anal, but wasn't Elusive Quality a brilliantly fast 3 year old? I know when he got to the turf he really put it all together, but I'm pretty sure he was flashy at 3.

He lost by a nose to honour and glory in the kings bishop after running 6f in 108 and 4/5 and i think there was an allowance race ( loss at belmont) where he set the fractions and got caught at the wire.

Yeah...he was fast. That loss in the KB had to be heartbreaking because he was clear with like 100 yards to go before H and G caught him at the wire.

blackthroatedwind · #3 09-23-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

He lost by a nose to honour and glory in the kings bishop after running 6f in 108 and 4/5 and i think there was an allowance race ( loss at belmont) where he set the fractions and got caught at the wire.

Yeah...he was fast. That loss in the KB had to be heartbreaking because he was clear with like 100 yards to go before H and G caught him at the wire.

If memory serves me right, Honour and Glory was ten tons the best that day and got a terrible ride by Santos. I'll have to go check Youtube.

But, you're right, Elusive Quality was pretty good on the dirt. His big turf wins were aided by extremely hard turf at Belmont.

#4 09-24-2008, 12:44 AM

monster....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOEp...eature=related

#5 09-24-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Rock Hard Ten? Seriously?

MONSTER
biggest cash ever when he beat St Liam in the BIG CAP, i want to say they let him go off at 7-2

#6 09-24-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're a funny dude. I forgot horses talent was based on who you cash with. Since you're on youtube do yourself a favor and try and look at some races prior to the year 2000. I realize the prospect of learning a little and getting some perspective is scary, but it won't hurt you.

if i never cashed on him, he'd still be a monster.... Gary Stevens, who i look at as a top 5 all time Jockey, says Rock Hard Ten is the best horse he ever sat on.

zippyneedsawin · #7 09-24-2008, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

if i never cashed on him, he'd still be a monster.... Gary Stevens, who i look at as a top 5 all time Jockey, says Rock Hard Ten is the best horse he ever sat on.

He said that about 50 horses he rode.

Indian Charlie · #8 09-24-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

if i never cashed on him, he'd still be a monster.... Gary Stevens, who i look at as a top 5 all time Jockey, says Rock Hard Ten is the best horse he ever sat on.

lol.

#9 09-24-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're a funny dude. I forgot horses talent was based on who you cash with. Since you're on youtube do yourself a favor and try and look at some races prior to the year 2000. I realize the prospect of learning a little and getting some perspective is scary, but it won't hurt you.

he was not talented ?

miraja2 · #10 09-24-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

do yourself a favor and try and look at some races prior to the year 2000.

Have you forgotten that this kid once proclaimed that Favorite Trick was "hands down" the greatest 2yo of all time, and that Jazil was the most overrated horse in history?
He is hopeless.

blackthroatedwind · #11 09-23-2008, 11:51 PM

Here's a link....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhylcPiZZlA

An odd ride, maybe, but just a good race ultimately. Losing to Honour and Glory in a photo, regardless of circumstances, was no easy feat. He was a tremendously talented horse.

blackthroatedwind · #12 09-24-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That was a pretty nice field in the King's Bishop. I just got depressed watching some of Honour and Glory's races. He was awesome. Can you imagine the kind of talk he would drum up if he were running today? Nowadays people get excited over Visionaire...

I was thinking the same thing. Another great example of why some of us get annoyed with some of the recent horses anointed with greatness.

dalakhani · #13 09-24-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was thinking the same thing. Another great example of why some of us get annoyed with some of the recent horses anointed with greatness.

In watching that replay, the announcer called H and G the highweight. How was the kings bishop weighted back then and when did they change to equal weights?

#14 09-24-2008, 12:40 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqTud...eature=related

KirisClown · #15 09-24-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That was a pretty nice field in the King's Bishop. I just got depressed watching some of Honour and Glory's races. He was awesome.

Here's one to feel good about.. I just uploaded his maiden race.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POe1OnbgNIg

It's amazing he held his form for as long as he did in 1996, he danced just about every dance possible that year...

Merlinsky · #16 09-24-2008, 05:50 PM

I skimmed the thread and didn't see this but if it was mentioned, sorry. Turns out Go Smarty Go fractured a cannon bone and will be on the shelf til next year. The trainer's optimistic that he'll be something nice in 2009.

philcski · #17 09-24-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I skimmed the thread and didn't see this but if it was mentioned, sorry. Turns out Go Smarty Go fractured a cannon bone and will be on the shelf til next year. The trainer's optimistic that he'll be something nice in 2009.

That's a shame.

Kasept · #18 09-25-2008, 05:50 AM

From MaidenWatch at Blood-Horse.com

Update on Go Smarty Go

Go Smarty Go (Smarty Jones - Sarah's World by Holy Bull), who was pulled up after winning a maiden race on the turf on September 21, suffered a condylar fracture in his left front. He had surgery and the prognosis is good, but he is unlikely to race again.

miraja2 · #19 09-24-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not trying to be anal, but wasn't Elusive Quality a brilliantly fast 3 year old? I know when he got to the turf he really put it all together, but I'm pretty sure he was flashy at 3.

Yeah you're right. I actually forgot about him in the KingBish that year. For some reason, I only really remember him on the Belmont turf in '98.

And while we are in the business of deconstructing the theroy I was trumpeting earlier, we could mention that Smile was a multiple-stakes winner at age 2. So basically, I might just be completely wrong.