8/30 (SAR): Forego; Woodward (Gr. I's)

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Zero speed in the Woodward aside from Wanderin Boy. Can Wanderin Boy steal it? I think he's extremely likely to run top two and if Curlin has some bad luck could steal it.

no PP's in front of me, but in a field like this, wouldn't you consider Divine Park also as part of the speed equation?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no PP's in front of me, but in a field like this, wouldn't you consider Divine Park also as part of the speed equation?

I can't see Divine Park pressing Wanderin Boy early, he's going to be more converned with where Curlin is. Past the Point seems more likely to be second early and he doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy without destroying the slim chances he has.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can't see Divine Park pressing Wanderin Boy early, he's going to be more converned with where Curlin is. Past the Point seems more likely to be second early and he doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy without destroying the slim chances he has.

just pulled up the pp's, Pass The Point pressing Wanderin Boy? you'll have to point me to the race where he has shown that kind of speed.
On the other hand, Divine Park can easily cruise on the front end with WB.

to answer your first question, no I don't think WB can steal it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

just pulled up the pp's, Pass The Point pressing Wanderin Boy? you'll have to point me to the race where he has shown that kind of speed.On the other hand, Divine Park can easily cruise on the front end with WB.

to answer your first question, no I don't think WB can steal it.

Isn't that exactly what I said? That he figures to sit second early but doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy. I don't think they will put Divine Park near the front. I think the last thing they want to do is duel with Wanderin Boy and hand the race to Curlin.

I'll throw up if Divine Park wins.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Isn't that exactly what I said? That he figures to sit second early but doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy. I don't think they will put Divine Park near the front. I think the last thing they want to do is duel with Wanderin Boy and hand the race to Curlin.

I don't get why Divine Park, who has more speed than Wanderin Boy, in a race that lacks a lot of speed, would consider throttling back, behind such slow horses as Pass The Point. I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I don't get why Divine Park, who has more speed than Wanderin Boy, in a race that lacks a lot of speed, would consider throttling back, behind such slow horses as Pass The Point. I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

I look at things a little differently from what others have said after his Met Mile win, Divine Park is obviously a better horse as a 4 yr old and he gives himself good trips. I wonder why do people knock him for that? He has won races on the lead, from just off the pace, and from off the pace. That's called versatility. I'm sure he's not going to be any great value on Saturday but he will atleast be in the 2/1 range with Curlin as the deserving heavy favorite. I know Curlin's last race was on turf and perhaps that is a reason why he only ran good/okay but I don't know I didn't really like his effort. If Curlin's 3/5 and Divine Park is 2/1 I think that's a great price differential to take Divine Park. On this track tactical speed is a major plus and right now I'm a believer in Divine Park. I don't think Mclaughlin would have bothered entering him if he didn't think he would run big Sat or get the 1 1/8.

On another note the bigger question is why did Frankel barring a late scratch enter Out of Control? Not like him to take on an overwhelming favorite like Curlin. Makes you think.

BTW to answer the topic question, anything is possible Wanderin Boy can lead this field a long way.

[Gander]

[quote=CSC]I look at things a little differently from what others have said after his Met Mile win, Divine Park is obviously a better horse as a 4 yr old and he gives himself good trips. Why knock him for that? He has won races on the lead, from just off the pace, and from off the pace. That's called versatility. I'm sure he's not going to be any great value on Saturday but he will atleast be in the 2/1 range with Curlin as the deserving heavy favorite. I know Curlin's last race was on turf and perhaps that is a reason why he only ran good/okay but I don't know I didn't really like his effort. If Curlin's 3/5 and Divine Park is 2/1 I think that's a great price differential to take Divine Park. On this track tactical speed is a major plus and right now I'm a believer in Divine Park. I don't think Mclaughlin would have bothered entering him if he didn't think he would run big Sat or get the 1 1/8.

On another note the bigger question is why did Frankel barring a late scratch enter Out of Control? Not like him to take on an overwhelming favorite like Curlin. Makes you think.

Because he is training well (on dirt) and he needs to run him somewhere. Hes already here and he could easily take a big piece of this big purse. He was to run in the Sword Dancer but got sick. I dont blame him for taking a shot.

I would be stunned if Wanderin Boy was not on the lead and most likely it will be all by himself. Still doesnt make me want to play him.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

I would be.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I would be.

I would be surprised also, one thing to look for is the jock Leparioux is not likely to fire a horse out of the gate unless he gets instructions to do so. If Leparioux decides to sit he may try to rate, however that last bullet work on WB's worktab signals a speed try.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I don't get why Divine Park, who has more speed than Wanderin Boy, in a race that lacks a lot of speed, would consider throttling back, behind such slow horses as Pass The Point. I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

Ahh the first brilliant comment of the day! He will probably be forwardly placed. Someone has to insure an honest pace up front. It will be tricky to not expend too much energy but Garcia knows him well. DP has earned this spot at a shot at the champ.

[blackthroatedwind]

Divine Park is in the tricky position of possibly having to sacrifice whatever minimal chance he has of being competitive here by attacking Wanderin Boy too early.

I haven't finished the work on the race, but it seems logical that the only way to make money in this race is to pitch Divine Park completely.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Ahh the first brilliant comment of the day! He will probably be forwardly placed. Someone has to insure an honest pace up front. It will be tricky to not expend too much energy but Garcia knows him well. DP has earned this spot at a shot at the champ.

Maybe Brilliant Mutal will be insuring the race.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Ahh the first brilliant comment of the day! He will probably be forwardly placed. Someone has to insure an honest pace up front. It will be tricky to not expend too much energy but Garcia knows him well. DP has earned this spot at a shot at the champ.

If Divine Park inherits the lead if what is supposed to happen doesn't happen that is if Leparioux takes a hold of Wanderin Boy early on, I believe Divine Park would be awfully tough to catch today. Divine Park has shown his ability to put himself into the right spots in races, Curlin is a great horse but I am not so sure his style is condusive to the Saratoga track. Seems like a good day to take him on, I'm making Divine Park a single on my pick tickets today and spreading the earlier races. The 8th is a spread race for me for sure.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Isn't that exactly what I said? That he figures to sit second early but doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy. I don't think they will put Divine Park near the front. I think the last thing they want to do is duel with Wanderin Boy and hand the race to Curlin.

The only other time Divine Park went two turns, he went directly to the lead. But this isnt a five horse AOC at the Big A inner. Why would they risk dueling it out with Wanderin Boy and setting it up for Curlin? It seems like Divine Park is quite tractable (wanderin boy doesnt seem so) and it seems he runs pretty well coming from a few lengths back of the pace.

Sorry to say but i dont think Wanderin boy can steal it. He just isnt classy enough and it seems that extra turn and the better horses always end up getting the better of him. No knock on Wanderin Boy though.