russia vs georgia

[Cannon Shell]

What difference does it make what GW said about Putin 6 or 7 years ago? What exactly is he supposed to say when th guy is standing right there and just opened his country to western investment? "Hey the dude is KGB, he is going to screw us eventually so lets invade now?"

The fact is that Putin is dangerous and there is nothing that GW or anybody else can do to change this or change the fact that the Russians have been pissed off for a long time and want to regain their position of power? We didnt put him in place, Russia isnt some third world country that others can control. They are a nuclear power with a lot of money, natural resources, bombs, soldiers and ties with bad guys that want to hurt us. Hell we may wind up allies with China before this whole thing is over. That is not exactly a regime without blood on their hnds.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What difference does it make what GW said about Putin 6 or 7 years ago? What exactly is he supposed to say when th guy is standing right there and just opened his country to western investment? "Hey the dude is KGB, he is going to screw us eventually so lets invade now?"

The fact is that Putin is dangerous and there is nothing that GW or anybody else can do to change this or change the fact that the Russians have been pissed off for a long time and want to regain their position of power? We didnt put him in place, Russia isnt some third world country that others can control. They are a nuclear power with a lot of money, natural resources, bombs, soldiers and ties with bad guys that want to hurt us. Hell we may wind up allies with China before this whole thing is over. That is not exactly a regime without blood on their hnds.

i gave up political astrology years ago but if someone made me pick, i'd say a us-russian alliance opposed to a chinese superpower was more likely.

let's check in on whatever replaces the internet in 20 years.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i gave up political astrology years ago but if someone made me pick, i'd say a us-russian alliance opposed to a chinese superpower was more likely.

let's check in on whatever replaces the internet in 20 years.

The Chinese aint real friendly with Russia and they need oil.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Chinese aint real friendly with Russia and they need oil.

right.

all the more reason for us to pal up with a supplier.

[hi_im_god]

anyone want to bet that if we let the georgian leadership decide how this ends, the cockroaches win? <----(not an analogy)

little countries can be badly led and the consequences are little. big countries need adults in charge.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

right.

all the more reason for us to pal up with a supplier.

They dont need us and we are too far away for them to supply us with much. Scary thought is if they strike a deal with the Chinese

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They dont need us and we are too far away for them to supply us with much. Scary thought is if they strike a deal with the Chinese

oil is a global market. it doesn't matter who you sell it to. the chinese can buy all the russian oil and all that means is there is more saudi oil available. the global price is the same.

unless you think the russians have the last drop of oil, proximity is meaningless.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

oil is a global market. it doesn't matter who you sell it to. the chinese can buy all the russian oil and all that means is there is more saudi oil available. the global price is the same.

unless you think the russians have the last drop of oil, proximity is meaningless.

That is a simple view however the real world is more complex. Chinas demand for oil is through the roof and a direct pipeline to Daqing is already in the works. The Russians dont have much refining capability but the chinese have plenty of money to build refineries. That alone means the Chinese will be paying less. Since Russia isnt a member of Opec they can produce what they want and sell it at whatever price they deem fit. If Chinese demand continues to rise, in theory they can buy the same amount of Saudi oil they are now and get the rest from Russia. Obviously if they stopped buying OPEC oil it would have an effect but they will never totally depend on the Russians and I dont believe that the Russians can produce nearly enough. But I do know that if China is a big customer and Russia is providing a vast amount of oil that those two are more likely to join forces than with us.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What difference does it make what GW said about Putin 6 or 7 years ago? What exactly is he supposed to say when th guy is standing right there and just opened his country to western investment? "Hey the dude is KGB, he is going to screw us eventually so lets invade now?"

The fact is that Putin is dangerous and there is nothing that GW or anybody else can do to change this or change the fact that the Russians have been pissed off for a long time and want to regain their position of power? We didnt put him in place, Russia isnt some third world country that others can control. They are a nuclear power with a lot of money, natural resources, bombs, soldiers and ties with bad guys that want to hurt us. Hell we may wind up allies with China before this whole thing is over. That is not exactly a regime without blood on their hnds.

Oh but there was a time when we had a lot to say about Putin.
Giving him the international recognition and backing when others
in Russia were vying for power was a horrible miscalculation. WE and
other Western countries evaluated leadership when it was up for grabs
and may have got it horribly wrong.