russia vs georgia

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Pretty interesting how the U.S. was quiet as a church mouse while Georgia was going into South Ossetian areas and killing people and tearing down neighborhoods but the second Russia goes into Georgia, the U.S. is quick to condemn the Russians. What Georgia was doing wasn't effecting Western oil supplies. What Russia is doing possibly could. Sounds kinda like how we didn't do anything while Saddam was killing Kurds but the second he went into Kuwait, he was a murderer that had to be stopped.

LOL. This is so true that you are bound to get ripped to shreds. Enjoy.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. This is so true that you are bound to get ripped to shreds. Enjoy.

Not really, I already called the Georgians douchebags and no one responded. I think (or at least hope) that everyone realizes the Georgians are as big douchebags in this as anyone.

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

low hanging fruit.

this whole episode was their invasion of grenada.

we need better allies. georgia got played. i like the part where the georgian's went in after the russian negotiator said he couldn't meet to discuss the situation in s ossentia because of a flat tire. and his spare was flat too.

classic.

Big pullout of foreign investors in Russian markets.
They say their military pullout is completed. Which
basically means the two areas in dispute are now Russian.

This should be interesting. Did Putin intend for some more
economic problems to further the sleeper hold he has on
his country... or does this make them more likely to negotiate
and is just short term...

Wacky stuff.

[Cannon Shell]

If you think that this has anything to do with ethnic cleansing or believe georgia has done something that encouraged the russians to invade you really dont understand that part of the world or dont read the news very well. Putin IS putting the old USSR back together. He has already turned the govt into a puppet govt, has invited western oil investment and research and then seized the russian companies that worked with them, putting the owners in jail and kicking the western companies out. They are spending like crazy on revamping their military and Russia has lots of money not to mention a semi-alliance with Iran. They have been rattling the cages of Georgia over the pipelines for 2 years now. Control over Georgia gives them control over the lifeblood of much of eastern europes energy supplies. They dont have to occupy the entire country to be able to exert extreme pressure. The Russians have already put the nuclear card on the table in regards to Poland installing the US missle defense system. THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!! So if you believe that the Georgians are bad people or that the Russians are the good guys or somehow justified in this fight, you just go ahead and believe that.


http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Georgia.html

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you think that this has anything to do with ethnic cleansing or believe georgia has done something that encouraged the russians to invade you really dont understand that part of the world or dont read the news very well. Putin IS putting the old USSR back together. He has already turned the govt into a puppet govt, has invited western oil investment and research and then seized the russian companies that worked with them, putting the owners in jail and kicking the western companies out. They are spending like crazy on revamping their military and Russia has lots of money not to mention a semi-alliance with Iran. They have been rattling the cages of Georgia over the pipelines for 2 years now. Control over Georgia gives them control over the lifeblood of much of eastern europes energy supplies. They dont have to occupy the entire country to be able to exert extreme pressure. The Russians have already put the nuclear card on the table in regards to Poland installing the US missle defense system. THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!! So if you believe that the Georgians are bad people or that the Russians are the good guys or somehow justified in this fight, you just go ahead and believe that.


http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768

i don't think either georgians or russians are unusually good or bad.

i think georgians have been poorly served by their leadership. i'm not sure how georgia taking the bait and sending troops into s ossentia (a region where russian troops were serving as peacekeepers under an internationally recognized mandate) isn't "encouraging the russians to invade you".

we promised gorbachev we wouldn't expand nato into eastern europe in exchange for soviet acquiescence to german reunification. after that we invite ukraine and georgia to apply.

i don't know why anyone is shocked the russians are pissed and swinging a big dick in everyone's face.

what's shocking was the lack of any sense of realpolitik in tblisi.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Putin IS putting the old USSR back together.
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Georgia.html

Putin fooled GW also.

All that time playing "the man he could do business with" and
Putin is probably just seething having to play GW without any
brute force recourse.

Throwing the Western Oil companies out is pure stupidity.
Venezuela already failed with this trick. Russia's oil production will
now deteriorate slowly but surely.

This is really a confusing situation. Unless Putin is trying to slash
and burn his own country to gain some sort of despotic control.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wacky stuff.

I will tell you what is wacky....

The battle injury this Georgia dude suffered....





Imagine having to walk around with a bloody Cun+ on your pec.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!!

Nice touch with the caps.

USC has too many athletes and they will man handle Russia if the two ever meet.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I will tell you what is wacky....

The battle injury this Georgia dude suffered....





Imagine having to walk around with a bloody Cun+ on your pec.

You will now be required to pay for my
undigested dinner.

Good heavens...