Jackson challenges Big Brown owners

cmorioles · #1 08-13-2008, 11:35 AM

IEAH take on this is easy. They want no parts of Curlin on dirt.

smuthg · #2 08-13-2008, 11:43 AM

Jess should go to $500k to get them to run v. Curlin in Japan, on the Dirt...

Quiet Chris · #3 08-13-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

IEAH take on this is easy. They want no parts of Curlin on dirt.

They shouldn't. It wouldn't be very competitive. Curlin would beat BB handily and Divine Park might even beat both of them.

BB's feet are shot. He will win his little made for BB turf race and then get destroyed by Henrythenavigator on the synthetic. Nothing to be ashamed of, but he will still never have broken a 110 beyer on the dirt or beat a decent horse on the dirt.

hockey2315 · #4 08-13-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

They shouldn't. It wouldn't be very competitive. Curlin would beat BB handily and Divine Park might even beat both of them.

BB's feet are shot. He will win his little made for BB turf race and then get destroyed by Henrythenavigator on the synthetic. Nothing to be ashamed of, but he will still never have broken a 110 beyer on the dirt or beat a decent horse on the dirt.

Whaaaat?

philcski · #5 08-13-2008, 12:40 PM

IEAH already turned down the challenge, as per the DRF. Sporting.

SniperSB23 · #6 08-13-2008, 12:45 PM

I'll donate $500 to charity if they go best 2 out of 3 in the Woodward, Classic, and Hollywood Turf Cup.

#7 08-13-2008, 12:46 PM

I'll donate tree fiddy if they avoid each other like they're going to do anyway and then retire by the end of the year.

Please. Do it. STFU. Go away.

DogsUp · #8 08-13-2008, 12:53 PM

This "saga" is freaking hilarious. I hope it continues. I always need a good laugh. IMO, Curlin would pretty much hand BB his lunch if they raced on dirt. On a synthetic surface, Curlin still might beat BB but prob not as bas as he would on dirt.

Henrythenavigator is one awesome horse. I would for him to come over for the Classic.

CSC · #9 08-13-2008, 12:54 PM

I might be in the minority here, but I wasn't impressed with Curlin's last race. Perhaps it was the surface, but with the weight advantage he got from the competition and the way the race set up for him I certainly expected more from a horse that is widely thought of as the best in North America. I'd certainly take a shot against him in his next start.

SniperSB23 · #10 08-13-2008, 12:55 PM

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I might be in the minority here, but I wasn't impressed with Curlin's last race. Perhaps it was the surface, but with the weight advantage he got from the competition and the way the race set up for him I certainly expected more from a horse that is widely thought of as the best in North America. I'd certainly take a shot against him in his next start.

Ya think?

CSC · #11 08-13-2008, 01:06 PM

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Ya think?

I'm just saying that horses are not machines and it might be a good opportunity to try someone else at a good price if it does happen.

freddymo · #12 08-13-2008, 01:08 PM

Maybe NTRA should pay for the transportation costs of both horses? lol

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 08-13-2008, 01:13 PM

After the Haskell, Rick Dutrow said Big Brown was “way better” than Curlin? I don't follow these big horses like a lot of people do, but that comment takes the cake. Maybe on turf he is way better. If I was IAVARONE, then I'd be looking for a turf race as well. I would be looking to race on turf on Breeders Cup day, too.

cmorioles · #14 08-13-2008, 01:16 PM

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After the Haskell, Rick Dutrow said Big Brown was “way better” than Curlin? I don't follow these big horses like a lot of people do, but that comment takes the cake. Maybe on turf he is way better. If I was IAVARONE, then I'd be looking for a turf race as well. I would be looking to race on turf on Breeders Cup day, too.

He is. It is called the Classic.

ArlJim78 · #15 08-13-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

IEAH take on this is easy. They want no parts of Curlin on dirt.

as if the surface would make any difference.

Cannon Shell · #16 08-13-2008, 03:03 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=3532060

Though I usually diagree with most of what he has to say this does make a good point. Namely why does a mega rich guy like Jackson "need" to retire a horse like Curlin when the money made by him at stud cant possibly make a difference in his or his families life? I suppose one could ask the same thing about a guy who started a commercial breeding operation in his mid 70's. I have no idea what his family situation is but there doesnt appear to be anyone close to the sport besides him and his wife. The funny thing is that I think the horse will be a bust at stud.

I know that if I was worth a billion dollars and had the best horse in the world you could bet he would be on display for as long as he was winning top races.

miraja2 · #17 08-13-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=3532060

Though I usually diagree with most of what he has to say this does make a good point. Namely why does a mega rich guy like Jackson "need" to retire a horse like Curlin when the money made by him at stud cant possibly make a difference in his or his families life? I suppose one could ask the same thing about a guy who started a commercial breeding operation in his mid 70's. I have no idea what his family situation is but there doesnt appear to be anyone close to the sport besides him and his wife. The funny thing is that I think the horse will be a bust at stud.
I know that if I was worth a billion dollars and had the best horse in the world you could bet he would be on display for as long as he was winning top races.

Yeah YOU might think that.
But didn't Jackson make some ridiculous statement last year about how the horse could revolutionize the breed as a stallion?
Curlin is a good racehorse, and I guess we owe Jackson some thanks for racing him this year. Still, some of his statements and actions this year regarding the horse have been....well.....a bit odd.

Cannon Shell · #18 08-13-2008, 03:17 PM

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Yeah YOU might think that.
But didn't Jackson make some ridiculous statement last year about how the horse could revolutionize the breed as a stallion?
Curlin is a good racehorse, and I guess we owe Jackson some thanks for racing him this year. Still, some of his statements and actions this year regarding the horse have been....well.....a bit odd.

Honestly i think the horse would have been retired if the ownership mess was resolved. He is soft on his dams side and he is very heavy. Heavy horses often produce slow horses.

miraja2 · #19 08-13-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is soft on his dams side and he is very heavy. Heavy horses often produce slow horses.

I really have no opinion on how he will be as a sire (not that I am actually any good at predicting those things anyway).
Tenpins is very closely related to Curlin (by Smart Strike, out of a Deputy Minister mare) and my first thought is that 6k for him will probably be a better deal than whatever Curlin starts out at.

parsixfarms · #20 08-13-2008, 04:07 PM

This whole affair is comical. After how IEAH have turned their back on NYRA's premier races since Big Brown's Belmont debacle (no Travers, Woodward or Jockey Club Gold Cup), there is no way in the world that I'd create the "little" turf prep that they want written for the middle of September. They don't deserve to get a race written for them in New York. Let them ship to Calder or some other second tier track to get their prep race.