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[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Are the Stewards serious about this???

If they are to take Kelley Leak down then Azul Leon should be taken down as well. I agree Kelley Leak drifted but he did not touch anyone. Azul Leon did a hack job on Charlies Moment. Horrible call by the stewards

That was a bad call I agree, Kelly Leak got screwed. I think Bejarano on Azul Leon saw a hole opening and made the right move, I though maybe Charlie's Moment may have drifted out as Azul Leon was trying to go through that hole, then had to check. Bottom line the #10 Kelly Leak should have stayed up, they made a bad call here.

[eajinabi]

Bejarano did not ride safe and could have gotten Jon Court injured. If he saw Kelleys Leak drift in, his best way was to pull up and go around but NO he wanted to win this at any cost and put Jon Court in jeopardy.

[CSC]

I didn't see the replay, but I thought Bejarano rode a pretty subpar race for a rider of his reputation. He had the best horse in the field, there was no need for it to go to the stewards if he had rode a half decent race.

No Bueno.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No Bueno.

todd "t" shrupp = liposuction left overs..you know that fat glue like paste..

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't see the replay, but I thought Bejarano rode a pretty subpar race for a rider of his reputation. He had the best horse in the field, there was no need for it to go to the stewards if he had rode a half decent race.

I was suprised the horse broke in last but Bejarano had plenty of horse top of the stretch. He was kinda blocked by the 10, then saw a hole open up and didn't wanna swing wider, and made a move to go through the hole. In the process the 8 drifts in a bit, Bejarano was agressive in trying to still get through there yeah, but I still say the 8 drifted in slightly before having to check. The way I saw it Bejarano to me made the right move in trying to go through the hole, but it closed quicker then perhaps he expected if anything, because the Court's horse drifted in a bit.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I was suprised the horse broke in last but Bejarano had plenty of horse top of the stretch. He was kinda blocked by the 10, then saw a hole open up and didn't wanna swing wider, and made a move to go through the hole. In the process the 8 drifts in a bit, Bejarano was agressive in trying to still get through there yeah, but I still say the 8 drifted in slightly before having to check. The way I saw it Bejarano to me made the right move in trying to go through the hole, but it closed quicker then perhaps he expected if anything, because the Court's horse drifted in a bit.

There was no fault by the 8 whatsoever. Most of it was done by Bejarano. He went through the opening in which he should not have.

I dont agree with the call but I see what the stewards are thinking.
Espinoza went a bit wide on the turn and then with that right handed whipping caused the horse to move in to other horses that were jumbled and drifting out a bit. Espinoza closed the hole with a longer shot not allowing the best horse (and favorite) to win.

If I had the 10... I would be mad. I understand what I think the reasoning is however. If that makes any sense. If Espinoza had kept it straight in the stretch the 9 would have won without DQ imo.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I dont agree with the call but I see what the stewards are thinking.
Espinoza went a bit wide on the turn and then with that right handed whipping caused the horse to move in to other horses that were jumbled and drifting out a bit. Espinoza closed the hole with a longer shot not allowing the best horse (and favorite) to win.

If I had the 10... I would be mad. I understand what I think the reasoning is however. If that makes any sense. If Espinoza had kept it straight in the stretch the 9 would have won without DQ imo.

I think Trevor Denman's voice said it all when he announced the DQ. He was surprised.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

There was no fault by the 8 whatsoever. Most of it was done by Bejarano. He went through the opening in which he should not have.

That hole was WIDE open when he decided to shoot through it instead of going wider. Like mclem posted, the hole just closed much too fast. As someone who singled AL in the late 4, and hit for $2(yippeee), I still feel that it was a bad call to take the 10 down.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

That hole was WIDE open when he decided to shoot through it instead of going wider. Like mclem posted, the hole just closed much too fast. As someone who singled AL in the late 4, and hit for $2(yippeee), I still feel that it was a bad call to take the 10 down.

That was my point declan, when he made the split second decision the room was there, and I think it was the correct move. Was it agressive yes, but once you've made the decision you go for it. The 10 should have stayed up, I had both along with the 5 on my p4, wish I would have hit it twice. Nice job declan!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I was suprised the horse broke in last but Bejarano had plenty of horse top of the stretch. He was kinda blocked by the 10, then saw a hole open up and didn't wanna swing wider, and made a move to go through the hole. In the process the 8 drifts in a bit, Bejarano was agressive in trying to still get through there yeah, but I still say the 8 drifted in slightly before having to check. The way I saw it Bejarano to me made the right move in trying to go through the hole, but it closed quicker then perhaps he expected if anything, because the Court's horse drifted in a bit.

I just viewed the replay, I thought it was a very questionable call. I'm not sure how the stewards determined the 10 was to blame when it could have easily be said Bejarano's horse caused the inside horse to take up...In addition it looked to me Ezpinoza may not have knew Bejarano went inside when he was hitting the horse right handed causing him to drift in abit; however I do think if Bejarano kept his horse on the outside he would have gotten up anyway, this despite going 8 wide on the turn. I wouldn't be happy if I was on the 10 and have to see a decision like that.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

In addition it looked to me Ezpinoza may not have knew Bejarano went inside when he was hitting the horse right handed causing him to drift in abit.

There is zero doubt in my mind that he knew exactly where Bejarano was the whole way, and he knew Bejarano had the best horse. No doubt in my mind that he knew the 9 went inside of him, and then(and only then) did he start with the right hand whipping. Espinoza was doing what other guys do when they don't have the horse to win fairly. The problem with this whole situation is that they normally ignore these tactics, and all the sudden(when the cast of characters is a certain way,) they have a problem with riding this way. People, ya momma smoking a pound of weed a week could be more consistent and objective than this bunch. Don't expect Gomez to get taken down for doing the same thing(ain't gunna happen.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

HOLLYWOOD PARK
Sat, May 10th, 2008 - Race 7
Senorita S. (3) Purse: $100,000 Type: Stakes, 3yo Distance: 1M Surface: Turf

^^^^^ If you're running slower than somebody else, then the best way to stop an opponent is for you both to have to run sideways. Delay,delay,delay. The best way to do that is to threaten a horse with contact if they were to even consider running straight. Then, if they don't go by, they are a hanger, and "I didn't make that much contact." No, but you threatened them with contact if they kept on their straight path. See a lil gangsta girl in action. She only weighs like 500-600 pounds. A horse should be allowed to run straight. That is the way to catch a horse. Once you have to start running sideways(to avoid someone who comes over on you,) you are not gunna run as fast as you would if you were allowed to run straight. Sweeter Still seems to understand the science of physics quite well, and the stewards are ignorant about it.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

There is zero doubt in my mind that he knew exactly where Bejarano was the whole way, and he knew Bejarano had the best horse. No doubt in my mind that he knew the 9 went inside of him, and then(and only then) did he start with the right hand whipping. Espinoza was doing what other guys do when they don't have the horse to win fairly. The problem with this whole situation is that they normally ignore these tactics, and all the sudden(when the cast of characters is a certain way,) they have a problem with riding this way. People, ya momma smoking a pound of weed a week could be more consistent and objective than this bunch. Don't expect Gomez to get taken down for doing the same thing(ain't gunna happen.)

I didn't really want to get into this anymore, however I watched the replay again/head on and to me there was plenty of blame that goes both ways for both riders. I doubt if Court's horse was to the inside of Bejarano's that there would have been a dq'd. My opinion is yes perhaps Victor tried to intimidate Bejarano's mount but bejarano was not clear, he chose that route where he could have stayed wide. Yes I know Victor's horse drifted however if a horse was to be taken down everytime they drifted, everyone here would probably stop playing this game. It's done and over, I suspect the consensus will be split on this topic. I hope we can move on.