SAR/DMR Stakes Beyers

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It was a few points high if anything.

In Lawyers Ron's case last year - when he won the Whitney by 9 - he ran 2 4/5ths faster than Ginger Punch did in the race prior as well.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Joe,

Should have been in 1:51.0 (or so)...

Andy, CJ or DougS can answer better, but at 9f, I believe each Beyer point is about a half length, so 120-112 appears to be a fair spread.

I believe it's 1.6 Beyer points per length at 9fs.

Student Council was rank early at the back of the pack, 3 wide on both turns, and seemed pretty uncomfortable while a ton of dirt was being kicked back into his face down the backside - running a 112 Beyer without getting any help from Tasteyville and without having an easy trip was quite an impressive accomplishment for a horse who isn't much.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I believe it's 1.6 Beyer points per length at 9fs.

Student Council was rank early at the back of the pack, 3 wide on both turns, and seemed pretty uncomfortable while a ton of dirt was being kicked back into his face down the backside - running a 112 Beyer without getting any help from Tasteyville and without having an easy trip was quite an impressive accomplishment for a horse who isn't much.

Where do you think Commentator would have finished in the Left Bank, Lido Palace, SC, MU Whitney given the assigned winning beyers are so close together.

[CSC]

I'm trying to remember the pace of that race that year, Commentator obviously is more effective with a moderate pace on the lead.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Left Bank, Lido Palace, Street Cry, and Macho Uno were all real horses.

I think Commentator and Left Bank would have hurt each others chances and neither would have had much of a shot if both broke well.

I think people would be making a mistake getting too caught up in the speed figures for Whitney Day.

The track was not only a little wet - but maitenence was obviously done on it - and it was probably the type of track that some horses might have got over a little better than others.

If it was a straight forward day with a typical fast track - I'd have loved Student Council's race - it takes a very good horse to run a 112 Beyer while as uncomfortable as he seemed to be by taking so much dirt in his face. Nothing about his trip was especially real easy either.

I just think Student Council probably liked running over that funky surface a lot more than many of the also-rans.

It was a little like the all-time record figure BC Cup Juvenile of last year with a loose Zito loving the ground and running a monster number - an Asmussen horse in Pyro getting on track well late and being the only horse not to get totally blown off the tv screen..while the others seemed to all struggle.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Left Bank, Lido Palace, Street Cry, and Macho Uno were all real horses.

I think Commentator and Left Bank would have hurt each others chances and neither would have had much of a shot if both broke well.

I think people would be making a mistake getting too caught up in the speed figures for Whitney Day.

The track was not only a little wet - but maitenence was obviously done on it - and it was probably the type of track that some horses might have got over a little better than others.

If it was a straight forward day with a typical fast track - I'd have loved Student Council's race - it takes a very good horse to run a 112 Beyer while as uncomfortable as he seemed to be by taking so much dirt in his face. Nothing about his trip was especially real easy either.

I just think Student Council probably liked running over that funky surface a lot more than many of the also-rans.

It was a little like the all-time record figure BC Cup Juvenile of last year with a loose Zito loving the ground and running a monster number - an Asmussen horse in Pyro getting on track well late and being the only horse not to get totally blown off the tv screen..while the others seemed to all struggle.

Appreciate the thought process that went into your answer, I can't be as scientific with my opinion only to say that pace dynamics seems to determine how effective Commentator does in his races. He's won 2 Whitney's and that accords him respect in my mind, however I agree with the belief that he would have been hard pressed to win and even perhaps hit the board in the Left Bank run Whitney years ago.

[Indian Charlie]

Interesting that Abraaj got a 109 and Street Boss got a 107.

It seems like Saratoga racing always gets inflated figs.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Interesting that Abraaj got a 109 and Street Boss got a 107.

It seems like Saratoga racing always gets inflated figs.

Funky wet dirt VS synthetic.

One surface gets a lot of spread out fields at the wire and the other gets bunched up fields.

Someone could go race by race at comparable class levels in situations like that and say that Del Mar's last place finishers always seem to get big inflated numbers over Saratoga's.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

Appreciate the thought process that went into your answer, I can't be as scientific with my opinion only to say that pace dynamics seems to determine how effective Commentator does in his races. He's won 2 Whitney's and that accords him respect in my mind, however I agree with the belief that he would have been hard pressed to win and even perhaps hit the board in the Left Bank run Whitney years ago.

true but he did beat St Liam in his first whitney who was no slouch! No matter how good or not so good Commentator is... it was an absolute steal to be able to have him at 9/2 (or did he go off at 4-1). Serling must have been nuttin himself with that price.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

true but he did beat St Liam in his first whitney who was no slouch! No matter how good or not so good Commentator is... it was an absolute steal to be able to have him at 9/2 (or did he go off at 4-1). Serling must have been nuttin himself with that price.

True 9/2 in retrospect was a nice price, problem is looking at the race before the gates opened who would have thought he would have been alone on the lead without being pushed...I'm sure many of us were left scratching our heads when the apparent speed battle didn't materialize. Bad for the Student Council backers...

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was a few points high if anything.

In Lawyers Ron's case last year - when he won the Whitney by 9 - he ran 2 4/5ths faster than Ginger Punch did in the race prior as well.

I agree, it was a little high. The pace, while uncontested, was hardly slow for that distance.