So just WHO targets and kills civilians??

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Hey Somerfrost,
I didn't write it, the senior senator from Mass did.
If you have no tolerance for views other than those that you "want" to read...
Do me a favor, don't read it!
DTS

I didn't read it...you come here day after day posting from this site, I don't care if the Pope wrote it, the only reason it appears in Common Dreams is it suits their political agenda! Try actually thinking for yourself instead of parroting this useless garbage...I read points of view from across the political spectrum and study philosophies far more diverse than most...you come here with the same tired regurgitated crap day after day! We get it, Democrats good, Bush bad!

[timmgirvan]

DTS: How unfortunate that you chose to respond to something that wasnt directed to you, and failed to answer what I directed to you. I teasing called you a flamer because(as you've admitted before) you see things like the commondreams 'tripe' as truth, and your absolute 'bent' about Bush et all is regretable. When you quote something out of context and use it to bash someone you do it a disservice! I don't know much about Warsaw'42, but I doubt it has much to do with Gaza'06. As I stated before, Israel has had a bullseye on their back since 1948...they've withstood 20,000,000 Arabs at their throats and World opinion and scorn that is undeserved. People that call for peace, yet hold a dagger behind their backs. As for that last retort, I don't believe I have treated you badly, in any sense.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: How unfortunate that you chose to respond to something that wasnt directed to you, and failed to answer what I directed to you. I teasing called you a flamer because(as you've admitted before) you see things like the commondreams 'tripe' as truth, and your absolute 'bent' about Bush et all is regretable. When you quote something out of context and use it to bash someone you do it a disservice! I don't know much about Warsaw'42, but I doubt it has much to do with Gaza'06. As I stated before, Israel has had a bullseye on their back since 1948...they've withstood 20,000,000 Arabs at their throats and World opinion and scorn that is undeserved. People that call for peace, yet hold a dagger behind their backs. As for that last retort, I don't believe I have treated you badly, in any sense.

Tim,
I asked that question because I do see a parallel between the confinement of the Jewish people in the Warsaw ghetto (1942) and their confinement of the Palestinians in Gaza (2006).
I DO see things differently than many people. I just don't tolerate being labeled or judged for presenting my opinions. Nor should anyone.
In other words, attack the premise that I present, not ME!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people wishing to discuss peace.
The old Jewish proverb states that "There is power in words."
I hope they use them first if there is a problem, rather than F-16's with JDAMS.
Hatred once created takes a very long time to be forgotten.
Peace can only happen through trusting in meaningful dialogue. That assumes that there isn't a dagger behind their backs.
Both sides have been very wrong in this controversy.
It is my hope that there are some that arre wise enough to begin something that is right.
DTS

[timmgirvan]

DTS: first things first..I did not attack you in any way...I said commondreams was 'tripe'! I referenced you being a Flamer teasingly because we had talked about it in another thread(last month I think) The Jews in Warsaw were prisoner helplessly herded there while the Palestinians are there because Israel relented and gave them space. That comparison isn't close. That line about hatred..what's up with that? Israel didn't foment the Bloodlust of the Arab countries! You say 'talk peace' with a civilization that is dutybound to erase your people from the face of the Earth(Arab words) Israel didnt start this...but, by God, they will finish it if pressed. Would you sit down at a table from someone who's 'suckerpunched' you before? I think not...without guarantees....which The Arabs will never do( rather they might because they know in their hearts what their sacred mission is...Death to Israel and the USA

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I didn't read it...you come here day after day posting from this site, I don't care if the Pope wrote it, the only reason it appears in Common Dreams is it suits their political agenda! Try actually thinking for yourself instead of parroting this useless garbage...I read points of view from across the political spectrum and study philosophies far more diverse than most...you come here with the same tired regurgitated crap day after day! We get it, Democrats good, Bush bad!

Somerfrost,
There are many things I've stated that didn't come from commondreams.
As I've prviously stated, if you don't want to read it, then do me a favor and don't.
If you really think that I am "parroting useless garbage"...then that's just another of your judgements.
For someone who is so very wise, that "reads across the political spectrum and studies philosophies far more diverse than most"...your close mindedness is quite obvious. Maybe it's time to open yourself to the ideas of others.
It's not only the misguided direction that this great country has been taken by people that have also made up their minds to pursue faulty agendas rather than discuss serious concerns with others, but also, the tactic of judging those that see differently, as your post demonstrates.
Your words are a microview of that which is at stake in the macroview.
Yes, the tragedy of those that inhabit the planet we share continues to be compromised by those that maintain extremely narrow views.
I feel great pity for you and those that your narrow thinking supports.

DTS

[Danzig]

to be perfectly honest, if i had to choose between you, DTS, and somer, as to who held the narrow view, well...dts in a landslide.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

to be perfectly honest, if i had to choose between you, DTS, and somer, as to who held the narrow view, well...dts in a landslide.

I would agree with you there. You have one person who has probably voted for multiple people in both parties. Then you have another person who has probably never voted for one of the parties in his entire life, yet he calls the other person close-minded.

[timmgirvan]

Who's you?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Somerfrost,
There are many things I've stated that didn't come from commondreams.
As I've prviously stated, if you don't want to read it, then do me a favor and don't.
If you really think that I am "parroting useless garbage"...then that's just another of your judgements.
For someone who is so very wise, that "reads across the political spectrum and studies philosophies far more diverse than most"...your close mindedness is quite obvious. Maybe it's time to open yourself to the ideas of others.
It's not only the misguided direction that this great country has been taken by people that have also made up their minds to pursue faulty agendas rather than discuss serious concerns with others, but also, the tactic of judging those that see differently, as your post demonstrates.
Your words are a microview of that which is at stake in the macroview.
Yes, the tragedy of those that inhabit the planet we share continues to be compromised by those that maintain extremely narrow views.
I feel great pity for you and those that your narrow thinking supports.

DTS

DTS, I think your words speak for themselves....when you throw out words such as "pity" when describing someone with a viewpoint other than your own, you can hardly claim to be open-minded! I do listen to all points of view THEN I make my own decisions based on my intellect (or lack thereof), experience and personal philosophy. You quote from those holding a viewpoint you share and scoff at anything that deviates. The Bush bashing goes on everywhere now days, you are far from alone and many of my Wiccan friends would agree with your point of view (that alone should give you pause), but twisting every news bite into a "Bush and the Jews are bad" mantra simply demonstrates a predisposition towards a strident philosophy of hatred...you can cloak it in religious references all you want but the anti-Jew emotions seep through!