The Mig ditching the left coast

[ELA]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I was just pointing out a big difference for top riders out east to west, how many does JV work? Bailey rarely worked horses, I mean 6-8 a morning.

Johnny works few horses, but that's because he has something that other jocks don't have -- his agent! Bailey worked plenty of horses in his day, for guys like Mott and Frankel. He wasn't out there working racehorses everyday as he wasn't riding a lot of them and those he was riding he didn't have to work.

I remember one weekend at the Spa, Bailey won something like two G1's, a G2, and maybe a G2 -- at the Spa, somewhere else and then back at the Spa. There he was Sunday morning, 5:30am or so, right at Frankel's barn getting up on horses.

Like him or not, personally, professionally, doesn't matter, I don't think what Bailey did or didn't do in the mornings defines what he did in the afternoons.

IMO, 6 to 8 a morning is a lot, relatively speaking.

Eric

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ELA

Johnny works few horses, but that's because he has something that other jocks don't have -- his agent! Bailey worked plenty of horses in his day, for guys like Mott and Frankel. He wasn't out there working racehorses everyday as he wasn't riding a lot of them and those he was riding he didn't have to work.

I remember one weekend at the Spa, Bailey won something like two G1's, a G2, and maybe a G2 -- at the Spa, somewhere else and then back at the Spa. There he was Sunday morning, 5:30am or so, right at Frankel's barn getting up on horses.

Like him or not, personally, professionally, doesn't matter, I don't think what Bailey did or didn't do in the mornings defines what he did in the afternoons.

IMO, 6 to 8 a morning is a lot, relatively speaking.

Eric

that was my point, Bajarano, Nakatani, Solis, etc, you know the "made" guys have to do that out west. The last time Bailey worked six he was probably 25, the trainers dont care about who you are, to get mounts you have to work the horses.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

that was my point, Bajarano, Nakatani, Solis, etc, you know the "made" guys have to do that out west. The last time Bailey worked six he was probably 25, the trainers dont care about who you are, to get mounts you have to work the horses.

Bailey worked horses, regularly, throughout his career. Maybe the last time you saw him work horses was when he was 25, but he worked a few after that. Maybe 6 to 8, but perhaps not much more, LOL.

Eric

[CSC]

I've been watching Richard Migliore ride since the high days when John Kimmel was in, and for the life of me I can't figure out why he doesn't get more quality mounts. I counted atleast 7 riders currently that are ahead of him in So Cal standings that if I owned a horse I can honestly say I would have him ride before one of those guys. This one's a mystery...

[ELA]

Originally Posted by CSC

I've been watching Richard Migliore ride since the high days when John Kimmel was in, and for the life of me I can't figure out why he doesn't get more quality mounts. I counted atleast 7 riders currently that are ahead of him in So Cal standings that if I owned a horse I can honestly say I would have him ride before one of those guys. This one's a mystery...

You are right, to many it is somewhat of a "mystery" so to speak. There are plenty of people who feel like you do. But there is a unique dynamic that exists in this game, specifically, in that side of the game. It's not always owners though. I won't get into all the details, but I don't always make the decision as to who rides. OTOH, I haven't owned any top stakes winning horses. But I know plenty of people who have and do. There is a lot that goes into that whole process, most of which might not count for squat, LOL.

Regardless, with trainers, they use certain kind of jocks on certain kind of horses, and with top horses, they must make every call count. It could be their last, LOL. They have preconceived notions, prejudices, etc. just like everyone.

Doesn't matter -- Richie is a guy who should get more quality mounts. It isn't for a lack of passion, desire, ability or work ethic. And, the guy is truly a student of the game.

Eric

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ELA

You are right, to many it is somewhat of a "mystery" so to speak. There are plenty of people who feel like you do. But there is a unique dynamic that exists in this game, specifically, in that side of the game. It's not always owners though. I won't get into all the details, but I don't always make the decision as to who rides. OTOH, I haven't owned any top stakes winning horses. But I know plenty of people who have and do. There is a lot that goes into that whole process, most of which might not count for squat, LOL.

Regardless, with trainers, they use certain kind of jocks on certain kind of horses, and with top horses, they must make every call count. It could be their last, LOL. They have preconceived notions, prejudices, etc. just like everyone.

Doesn't matter -- Richie is a guy who should get more quality mounts. It isn't for a lack of passion, desire, ability or work ethic. And, the guy is truly a student of the game.

Eric

That was a thoughtful response Eric, thanks for that. Hopefully Mr. Migliore will get the mounts he deserves in the future, he can still ride from what I have seen of him. One can only reflect the guy has had some bad luck in his career, from being hurt during Artie S BC win to Hidden Lake having to run in the BC in So Cal and not out east where she was so dominant.

[dalakhani]

Migliore's stats at the recently completed hollywood park spring/summer meet:

130 mounts 19 wins 56 times in the money for percentages of close to 15 and 43.

Thats not bad. 13th in earnings that puts him slightly behind the likes of Martin Pedroza but ahead of the likes of John Court and Corey Nakatani.

I dont think the Mig was having a hard time finding work. Rather, I think that he was selective as to what he would ride and there just arent that many opportunities right now in So Cal.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ELA

You are right, to many it is somewhat of a "mystery" so to speak. There are plenty of people who feel like you do. But there is a unique dynamic that exists in this game, specifically, in that side of the game. It's not always owners though. I won't get into all the details, but I don't always make the decision as to who rides. OTOH, I haven't owned any top stakes winning horses. But I know plenty of people who have and do. There is a lot that goes into that whole process, most of which might not count for squat, LOL.

Regardless, with trainers, they use certain kind of jocks on certain kind of horses, and with top horses, they must make every call count. It could be their last, LOL. They have preconceived notions, prejudices, etc. just like everyone.

Doesn't matter -- Richie is a guy who should get more quality mounts. It isn't for a lack of passion, desire, ability or work ethic. And, the guy is truly a student of the game.

Eric

I dont know many owners who request they use a rider who are told no, maybe they cant guy they want but I hardly hear trainers just saying no.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont know many owners who request they use a rider who are told no, maybe they cant guy they want but I hardly hear trainers just saying no.

First, I have no idea what you are saying -- your statement is not at all what I said. Second, do you make the decison which jock will be offered the ride for every horse you own and for every race (regardless of whether or not your choice is open)?

Eric

Originally Posted by ELA

Doesn't matter -- Richie is a guy who should get more quality mounts. It isn't for a lack of passion, desire, ability or work ethic. And, the guy is truly a student of the game.

Eric

So in the minds of many on the board they would make perfect jocks.
There are quite a few athletes who are cerebral, hard working, and sit on the bench. I have not seen the guy ride as much as the majority of this board, but that would be the first question. Can he ride? You would like a jock to read the DRF of every race they are in, you would like a jock to know the horse he is riding well, you would like a jock to go out with some sort of idea what to do with a horse as situations arise.

Seen too many people work horses that require lots more work than jocks, lots of very specific type of training. Some of them look like they were born on a horses back. Others spend plenty of time on top, but its not the same.

So are some jocks just born riders, just totally fluid and comfortable in all sorts of situations with all sorts of horses? And others just doing it because they love the entirety of the sport but might not be big time riders? I dont know.

I do know what I observed with equestrian riders. Some very difficult, subtle crap went on. And some were masters but not teachers. And others were great at explaining why a ride was so good, but they could not reproduce the physical process.
Forget it, Im blathering.
If a guy is really a good rider, it makes no sense why he should not rise to the top (unless he pulls the Patrick Valenzuela routine.)

[ELA]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So in the minds of many on the board they would make perfect jocks.There are quite a few athletes who are cerebral, hard working, and sit on the bench. I have not seen the guy ride as much as the majority of this board, but that would be the first question. Can he ride? You would like a jock to read the DRF of every race they are in, you would like a jock to know the horse he is riding well, you would like a jock to go out with some sort of idea what to do with a horse as situations arise.

Seen too many people work horses that require lots more work than jocks, lots of very specific type of training. Some of them look like they were born on a horses back. Others spend plenty of time on top, but its not the same.

So are some jocks just born riders, just totally fluid and comfortable in all sorts of situations with all sorts of horses? And others just doing it because they love the entirety of the sport but might not be big time riders? I dont know.

I do know what I observed with equestrian riders. Some very difficult, subtle crap went on. And some were masters but not teachers. And others were great at explaining why a ride was so good, but they could not reproduce the physical process.
Forget it, Im blathering.
If a guy is really a good rider, it makes no sense why he should not rise to the top (unless he pulls the Patrick Valenzuela routine.)

First, you took my quote out of context, which in and of itself doesn't make a difference; but to make your point (which I underlined)? OK, good one.

Second, I agree with much of what you said, albeit somewhat obvious.

I think the people who say Richie Migliore is a "not a good jock" or what commentary along those lines -- those are the people who will point to the next tactical error he makes, or even the next obvious mistake he makes, in order to support their arguement. They might even jump up and down and say "Look, I told you so" and will take pride in being right. Maybe they'll be tearing up some tickets as well. I wonder if that has something to do with it. Yeah, the whole thing, that's a real strong arguement.

Eric

[Stall Mucker]

There's a rumor floating that Richard will be analyst on the NYOTB show from Saratoga. Just a rumor.....

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Stall Mucker

There's a rumor floating that Richard will be analyst on the NYOTB show from Saratoga. Just a rumor.....

what's the source of that one?? Has he ever done TV before in that capacity?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by docicu3

what's the source of that one?? Has he ever done TV before in that capacity?

He did the show the summer of 2006, if I remember correctly.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by docicu3

what's the source of that one?? Has he ever done TV before in that capacity?

If SM says it, it's credible. He's done some guest spots on the NYC OTB show from the Spa in the past.

I think very highly of Mig and hope he gets some live horses. He's very popular around these parts.

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by docicu3

what's the source of that one?? Has he ever done TV before in that capacity?

And just to keep the rumor-mill alive Mig will get main host help from Joanne Jones, Dave Grenning and one of those Clancey Boys. Much much more

Much closer to the truth CapitalOTB will have all their experts lined-up with host analyst Jeanne Wood(s) whatever. Along with the Cusanos, Veitchs, Amellos and Klings of the world.