DMR vs. SAR --- from a practical perspective

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Being LAZY, and not being POLY phobic, I naturally would play the track that makes it the EASIEST for me to do so. Let's compare the NYRA and DMR websites:

DMR:

1) DMR webcams--Paddock Cam, PolyTrack Cam, Stable Cam

2) LIVE video

3) Race Replays


SAR (NYRA in General)

1) NADA
2) ZIP
3) We don't give a ****

There are links to video replays and live audio but they DON'T WORK.

Difficult choice

Though, I'll definitely be playing both (probably)

Why is NYRA SO FAR BEHIND THE TIMES? (And this is not about the bad positioning of their headon cameras for turf).

But NYRA has Serling doing Talkin horses one out of every five days and jason Blewitt 5 out of 5 so isnt it worth anything to you to earn on Serlings darkened form horses? Plus you get Jason expert opinion daily you do the math

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by freddymo

But NYRA has Serling doing Talkin horses one out of every five days and jason Blewitt 5 out of 5 so isnt it worth anything to you to earn on Serlings darkened form horses? Plus you get Jason expert opinion daily you do the math

No doubt, Serling is about as good as it gets when it comes to opinions and breaking down races. If it were up to me, he'd be doing the show 5 days a week; and solo. Blewitt, Jan, and the other guy typically get the muzzle from me.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt, Serling is about as good as it gets when it comes to opinions and breaking down races. If it were up to me, he'd be doing the show 5 days a week; and solo. Blewitt, Jan, and the other guy typically get the muzzle from me.

If NYRA wants to get serious thay have to have passionate and informative people doing there shows. The replay stuff is great as well but that will all come if they start to listen to people like Serling and his type of player. Otherwise "heads" will continue to be the norm.. might as well put a hat on me and listen to my inane horse opinions with the crap they currently have on.

[the_fat_man]

No doubt, from a players' standpoint, it would behoove NYRA, and other tracks, to solicit, and utilize, the opinions of 'professional' handicappers when it comes to things like camera angles for replays, qualifications of stewards and chart callers, etc.

But all this **** is just excuses. The turf sprints at BEL, for example, wouldn't presently be playing any easier if I had better quality replays with better angles, or more accurate charts. The game is tough, any way you cut it. It just would be nice to not have to do the XTRA work that one would typically expect the track to handle. Provide accurate data and make it easy to access this data. Anything more is gravy; anything less is just not enough.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt, Serling is about as good as it gets when it comes to opinions and breaking down races. If it were up to me, he'd be doing the show 5 days a week; and solo. Blewitt, Jan, and the other guy typically get the muzzle from me.

Jan and the Donovan are fairly useless. Jason works hard and is often seen on the backstretch looking and talking about upcoming races with trainers. I agree Serling is very good a breaking down a race and I can learn alot from him as well as many guys like yourself. I just have a tough time with his style. Andy Beyer has said he was a know-it-all kid in Saratoga and grew up and became a know-it-all adult. The game is just too tough to approach wagering decisions with such certainity.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Andy Beyer has said he was a know-it-all kid in Saratoga and grew up and became a know-it-all adult.

Beyer actually meant that as a compliment....but whatever. It certainly doesn't stop him from calling me every day to discuss the races.

[Bobby Fischer]

Serling is one of the best


Del Mar vs Saratoga:
The contrasting surfaces dominate the comparison.

It certainly is very disappointing that New York has fallen behind other Major Tracks in providing Replays & Live Video.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer actually meant that as a compliment....but whatever. It certainly doesn't stop him from calling me every day to discuss the races.

oh, yes, I see. I get that ----- I think.
But I don't doubt he calls you. You have, apparently, had an innate ability to size up a race since you were a kid. I am serious now. I haven't been on this blog forever but very good handicappers here appreciate your wisdom. And I am certainly not one of those who I think are very good. I still have alot to learn about handicapping. But I enjoy it even when I'm not hitting them. I try to learn. I'll keep trying.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

oh, yes, I see. I get that ----- I think.
But I don't doubt he calls you. You have, apparently, had an innate ability to size up a race since you were a kid. I am serious now. I haven't been on this blog forever but very good handicappers here appreciate your wisdom. And I am certainly not one of those who I think are very good. I still have alot to learn about handicapping. But I enjoy it even when I'm not hitting them. I try to learn. I'll keep trying.

Show me a horseplayer that isn't always trying to learn, or thinks he ( or she ) knows everything, and I will show you a loser. That's one of the many things that makes the game so great.....there is always a ton to learn.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Show me a horseplayer that isn't always trying to learn, or thinks he ( or she ) knows everything, and I will show you a loser. That's one of the many things that makes the game so great.....there is always a ton to learn.

Thanks for that. You are right about that. And when the losing hits in Saratoga, whose races I always find very, very difficult to assess, there is always the Adelphi bar and porch to soothe my sensibilities. I really love the sport. Can't wait for Saratoga and I am excited to see Nafsger get in the hall with Richardson doing the presentation speech. Two truly classy guys it seems.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Show me a horseplayer that isn't always trying to learn, or thinks he ( or she ) knows everything, and I will show you a loser. That's one of the many things that makes the game so great.....there is always a ton to learn.

Andy Beyer calls you one the phone, what phone the Bat one?lol. Next you are going to BS us about knowing Crist.Maybe he calls you as well for ideas?? All you internet phonies ponies are the same.. I am from Missouri prove it!

Byk how long are you going to let this dribble go on without sensorship? Instead of Byk you should change your name to Schultz

[reese]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Jan and the Donovan are fairly useless. Jason works hard and is often seen on the backstretch looking and talking about upcoming races with trainers. I agree Serling is very good a breaking down a race and I can learn alot from him as well as many guys like yourself. I just have a tough time with his style. Andy Beyer has said he was a know-it-all kid in Saratoga and grew up and became a know-it-all adult. The game is just too tough to approach wagering decisions with such certainity.

Just shows what YOU know... "Jan and the Donovan are fairly useless". Donovan is and has been the NYRA linemaker for the last 5-6 years.
And one of the most accurate linesmakers of ALL tracks.

Obviously, YOU don't understand what the "job" of a linesmaker is AND YOU don't watch the Talking Horses pre-race or YOU would realize Donovan often selects a horse DIFFERENT from ther horse he makes a the NYRA "morning-line favorite.

FWIIS, the NYRA handicappers are easily as good as the handicappers in the NY papers...TNYP and TheDN, and that includes DRF consensus picks in the DN.

Andy Serling, on the other hand, is a renown professional handicapper and a great addition to the NYRA program. But even Andy cannot breakdown every race and predict the winner for YOU

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by reese

Just shows what YOU know... "Jan and the Donovan are fairly useless". Donovan is and has been the NYRA linemaker for the last 5-6 years.
And one of the most accurate linesmakers of ALL tracks.

Obviously, YOU don't understand what the "job" of a linesmaker is AND YOU don't watch the Talking Horses pre-race or YOU would realize Donovan often selects a horse DIFFERENT from ther horse he makes a the NYRA "morning-line favorite.

FWIIS, the NYRA handicappers are easily as good as the handicappers in the NY papers...TNYP and TheDN, and that includes DRF consensus picks in the DN.

Andy Serling, on the other hand, is a renown professional handicapper and a great addition to the NYRA program. But even Andy cannot breakdown every race and predict the winner for YOU

Darn. Why don't you tell me what you really think? Just my opinion. That's all. No need to get all worked up. I think I 've seen enough. I don't rely on those guys anyway. I do look into how they think a race sets up as there is always something I just haven't looked at. And I didn't say that Andy was anything but a very very good handicapper.