Interesting discussion

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I would love to see Ness respond to your question, but somehow, I doubt he will answer it directly. The other defender on the thread named Webgems, or something like that, is Ness's biggest owner so of course he is going to defend.

I'd like to believe his hard work, reading the form, watching replays and training method are the keys to his success, but as you said, the instant move-ups can't possibly be "training methods". Ask Cannon how much a horse can be "trained" in the 7-14 days after a claim. Then you get the move up in class and bam, a easy winner.

Scott Lake told Andy Beyer his success was from NOT training them after he claimed them. This guy says that his success is from "getting them fit" which I would take as training them harder. LOL. There may be a rare occasion that you find something out of order like a bad tooth, bad shoe, abcess, ulcers, ect. that can turn around quickly. I doubt that 41% of his claims have such issues.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I doubt that 41% of his claims have such issues.

Well said.

I'm not sure why these guys feel the need to speak out and proclaim their innocence. When they do speak on their own behalf, they just sound silly.

Just shut up and keep winning 50% of your races until the test man catches up to you.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Well said.

I'm not sure why these guys feel the need to speak out and proclaim their innocence. When they do speak on their own behalf, they just sound silly.

Just shut up and keep winning 50% of your races until the test man catches up to you.

I had heard that he about s*** his pants when he found out that they were talking about freezing some samples at Tampa

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I had heard that he about s*** his pants when he found out that they were talking about freezing some samples at Tampa

So did Tampa:
1) Freeze some samples?
2) If so, were those samples tested?
3) If yes, what were the results?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by scanman

So did Tampa:
1) Freeze some samples?
2) If so, were those samples tested?
3) If yes, what were the results?

1) Don't know
2) Don't know
3) Don't know

I would guess not since they've been closed for two months and there has been no word yet.

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

1) Don't know
2) Don't know
3) Don't know

I would guess not since they've been closed for two months and there has been no word yet.

I would think that if Tampa wanted to "catch" Ness with a positive, they would have taken the samples and tested them. Even though the track has been closed, samples would have sent to a lab for testing and a report would have been issued. Since there is no report, I would come to the conclusion "these samples" were probably not taken.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by scanman

I would think that if Tampa wanted to "catch" Ness with a positive, they would have taken the samples and tested them. Even though the track has been closed, samples would have sent to a lab for testing and a report would have been issued. Since there is no report, I would come to the conclusion "these samples" were probably not taken.

They can test blood till the pigs fly and they won't find the good stuff that some of these guys are using. At least they won't find it yet....

[scanman]

Question for anyone:

What are the testing procedures for tracks like Belmont, Hollywood, Churchill versus tracks like Tampa, Canterbury, Penn National?

[Cannon Shell]

I dont know if a racetrack can "freeze" samples because they arent the ones doing the testing, the state of Florida is. Though the Tampa is proactive on many fronts i dont know if they are prepared or even able to do this. And in the area of freezing samples, it is not as easy as it sounds because they still have to know what they are looking for in order to find it.