Curlin works on turf

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think that he is at a huge disadvantage over there. The tracks are so different and the ground is so soft that a US jock is a possible problem.

Yeah, I see that. As far as the soft ground, I don't know if that is as much a disadvantage vis a vis the jock as it is the horse. At this point, I don't know the actual plans so I don't know who acclimated the horse would be to the potential track conditions. As far as the tracks -- yes, a definite factor. However, I would think they would do what they could -- short of getting another jock -- to try and overcome this factor. Would they not have Albarado over there early, get him some previous mounts, watch, learn, etc. Sure, nothing like real life experience, but we are not talking about complete amateurs here, right? At the same time, can you really see them not using Robby and changing jocks for this? It might make sense, but it's a big trigger to pull. Easy to say, tough to do.

On the other hand -- as good/great/whatever you want to call it, as Curlin is -- going over there and competing in the toughest race, perhaps in the world, that are come incredible hurdles to overcome. He doesn't have to be able to "handle" the turf, he's got to be "great" on it.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yeah, I see that. As far as the soft ground, I don't know if that is as much a disadvantage vis a vis the jock as it is the horse. At this point, I don't know the actual plans so I don't know who acclimated the horse would be to the potential track conditions. As far as the tracks -- yes, a definite factor. However, I would think they would do what they could -- short of getting another jock -- to try and overcome this factor. Would they not have Albarado over there early, get him some previous mounts, watch, learn, etc. Sure, nothing like real life experience, but we are not talking about complete amateurs here, right? At the same time, can you really see them not using Robby and changing jocks for this? It might make sense, but it's a big trigger to pull. Easy to say, tough to do.

On the other hand -- as good/great/whatever you want to call it, as Curlin is -- going over there and competing in the toughest race, perhaps in the world, that are come incredible hurdles to overcome. He doesn't have to be able to "handle" the turf, he's got to be "great" on it.

Eric

The course is different from distance to distance which is a real issue for an inexperienced rider over the course. The ground being so soft is something our riders are simply not used to riding over. Knowing where he is in relation to the finish will be the biggest issue i would guess.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The course is different from distance to distance which is a real issue for an inexperienced rider over the course. The ground being so soft is something our riders are simply not used to riding over. Knowing where he is in relation to the finish will be the biggest issue i would guess.

don't the jocks there ride differently over there compared to ours due to the undulating course as well? seems i read not too long ago where they compared euro jocks to americans--americans being able to be more still, less athletic, since our courses are all flat, with just the two turns generally to worry about.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The course is different from distance to distance which is a real issue for an inexperienced rider over the course. The ground being so soft is something our riders are simply not used to riding over. Knowing where he is in relation to the finish will be the biggest issue i would guess.

OK, so the course is different distance to distance, and if the only answer is to use a jock who is truly experienced over that course -- then I see that being a real issue. Insurmountable? I'm not sure, but very tough. The soft ground, I don't know, if an American jock is just not used to riding over that type of surface, would that be countered by a jock who knows the horse better? A European jock knows the soft turf exceptionally well, but doesn't know the horse as well? I'll go with you on that.

Knowing where he is in relation to the finish -- hey, if that's a big issue, sure I can buy that. He rides a similar distance, but that's not the same, yeah, OK, I got that. Is that too insurmountable? Beats me, LOL.

Eric

[parsixfarms]

I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but I thought they said that, if they were going to send him over for the Arc, they were going to run him in the Prix Foy, a course and distance prep for the Arc. As someone who is not an Albarado fan, I would without question use a European rider who is more in tune with the nuances of European racing. If the concern is that the rider needs to get familiar with the horse, then have him ride Curlin in the Foy as well.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but I thought they said that, if they were going to send him over for the Arc, they were going to run him in the Prix Foy, a course and distance prep for the Arc. As someone who is not an Albarado fan, I would without question use a European rider who is more in tune with the nuances of European racing. If the concern is that the rider needs to get familiar with the horse, then have him ride Curlin in the Foy as well.

I agree..Going to be tough enough for Curlin, but maybe with a "top" jock from over there he might have at least some shot at pulling it off. I would love to see Curlin achieve what no horse thus far has done, but IMO using Albarado would be a mistake. It will be interesting to see what all develops over the next few months.

[DogsUp]

If you are going to use a European Jock, who on earth would they get? I know very little about The Arc. Does it get a great deal of starters? If so, what jocks would be left to ride Curlin?

[Bobby Fischer]

winning the Arlington or Man o' war would be a horseracing feat (provided that one or two decent turf horses enter).

Winning one of the above on a soft turf course would be a huge feat.


as a fan it is neat seeing him run on turf. -as a gambler he is a bet against, and I would prefer he run in New York at 11furlongs.
If he wins and runs in the arc he is a bet-against again, but also a very cool thing to see happen.