Who's more incompetent: NYRA Stewards or Gabe Saez?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He basically buried her from start to finish - and Garcia really did an amazing job of help making it the legendary bad ride it became. He deserves almost as much credit for Proud Spell's trip as Saez.

YEAH, Garcia pretty much exposed himself as a PUNK. Probably, 2nd only to Morales or Castellano given that ride. At some point, and it will be soon, Garcia will be BENT OVER by another jock, the way he bent Saez over today. Hope he takes as good as he gives and is as lucky as Saez was today (or Dominguez in the 4th, courtesy of Mr Castellano).

[Rupert Pupkin]

That is incredible that they took that horse down. There is not even a 1% chance that the incident changed the order of finish. Isn't the rule in New York the same as California? In California, they don't take a horse down unless the incident may have cost a horse a placing.

In a case like this, it is fine for them to give the jock days if they want to. But there is no reason to take the horse down.

[FGFan]

My vote goes to the NYRA stewards.
Baffling.
Sort of the same idea of when I think it was Caroline's Cat got taken out at the start by the eventual winner and they let the winner stand.

[ArlJim78]

you have to give it to the stewards, very bad takedown imo.

[horseofcourse]

It was a bit odd. It seemed a clear case of Proud Spell being cut off right as they concluded the turn...then the horse also bore in in mid stretch initiating contact with Proud Spell...then Proud Spell gets dq'd after passing with east while drifting out?? Yes, I'm biased as I would have won money with a 2nd place finish by Proud Spell hitting exacta's et all...but no way was any finish affected by the jocks. Music Note was the best...maybe Proud Spell is within a length with a better ride by Saez...but Saez was badly cut off by Garcia.

[parsixfarms]

I generally don't like to get involved in steward-bashing but their performance today was truly astonishing. They take Proud Spell down for an arguable foul that clearly had no impact on the outcome of the race (imagine being the place pool bridgejumpers that got taken down here), and yet they left Les Antiques (4th race) up for contact (crowding, bumping) that did appear to have an impact on the Frankel horse trying to get up the rail.

[jcs11204]

saez had a horrible day, but prolly has many big days ahead of him...
i almost feel bad for him after today, horrible,terrible ride on proud spell, and then in the next race, i think he just got outfinished and by rudy

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

It was a bit odd. It seemed a clear case of Proud Spell being cut off right as they concluded the turn...then the horse also bore in in mid stretch initiating contact with Proud Spell...then Proud Spell gets dq'd after passing with east while drifting out?? Yes, I'm biased as I would have won money with a 2nd place finish by Proud Spell hitting exacta's et all...but no way was any finish affected by the jocks. Music Note was the best...maybe Proud Spell is within a length with a better ride by Saez...but Saez was badly cut off by Garcia.

i totally disagree, proud spell had about as much trouble as you can possibly have in a race, and i think she wins with a clean trip

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i totally disagree, proud spell had about as much trouble as you can possibly have in a race, and i think she wins with a clean trip

It's possible. I'm just not sure she wins. I'm still just mad she got dq'd.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i totally disagree, proud spell had about as much trouble as you can possibly have in a race, and i think she wins with a clean trip

If there's a re-match in the Alabama, who do you take? I think Music Note would like the 10F distance better, and Proud Spell will be underlaid based on today's trip.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If there's a re-match in the Alabama, who do you take? I think Music Note would like the 10F distance better, and Proud Spell will be underlaid based on today's trip.

i am a pick 3 and 4 player, so from a gambling point of view i'd probelly use both of them, like i did today... and whoever else looks decent, LOTS OF very good fillies could show up in the alabama....

just looking at it from who i think is better, the sky might be the limit for music note, but i want to see her beat the best, when the best gets even a decent trip, todays trip was a nightmare. so i would say proud spell still.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If there's a re-match in the Alabama, who do you take?

NYRA Stewards, and Saez will both be chalk, I probably pass on that wager.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

YEAH, Garcia pretty much exposed himself as a PUNK. Probably, 2nd only to Morales or Castellano given that ride. At some point, and it will be soon, Garcia will be BENT OVER by another jock, the way he bent Saez over today. Hope he takes as good as he gives and is as lucky as Saez was today (or Dominguez in the 4th, courtesy of Mr Castellano).

Harsh words!!! You fail to mention that if this was the 70's Saez would have been swimming in the lake by the time they got through with him.

Face it. Garcia rode a brilliant race. If I owned a nag, I'd want to see that instead of opening up a red carpet for another jock. It's a Grade 1, not Mr's Smithers finishing school.

[CSC]

I'm very late on this, but I didn't think Saez's ride was worth this much ink...The stumble probably hurt him more than trying to squeeze up the rail. I think Mccaron's ride in the Preakness on Touch Gold IMO was worse. Just off the top of my head of one that comes to mind.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Harsh words!!! You fail to mention that if this was the 70's Saez would have been swimming in the lake by the time they got through with him.

Face it. Garcia rode a brilliant race. If I owned a nag, I'd want to see that instead of opening up a red carpet for another jock. It's a Grade 1, not Mr's Smithers finishing school.

Really? I thought the objective was to try to win the race for YOUR horse. Not to AID or HINDER another. Isn't that really what they have stewards for?

And how did Garcia really ride brilliantly? He rode like a PUNK and ASSED out with a ridiculous decision by the stewards. Is that something to laud? Do you want the stewards to continue the insanity?

Well thought out. And this **** only works if you have a bunch of incompetents as the 'ruling' body.

The interesting thing is in a high speed game with reckless participants nobody is immune from bad luck.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was away all weekend and just catching up now, but why does everything turn gay with you?

I think the fatman secretly has a crush on Prado and a few other jocks.


Fatman and Prado sittin in a tree...................

[philcski]

Just watched the replay, that was maybe the worst DQ I've ever seen. An absolute crime to take her down, the 3 lugging in coming off the turn almost sent her over the rail!!!! HOW THE F DO YOU PUT THE 3 UP AFTER THAT?!?!? F*CK!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by philcski

Just watched the replay, that was maybe the worst DQ I've ever seen. An absolute crime to take her down, the 3 lugging in coming off the turn almost sent her over the rail!!!! HOW THE F DO YOU PUT THE 3 UP AFTER THAT?!?!? F*CK!

i agree, the word CRIME came to my mind as well. i don't recall a more baseless action by the stewards.

[Stall Mucker]

It is overwhelming to read all the negative posts about every aspect of thoroughbred racing at NYRA tracks. Makes me think of the worst bullrings in Mexico. Yet, NY racing, as written in national publications, is the best racing in the US. Hmmm.

[10 pnt move up]

From Steve Crist formblog

"I would prefer to see the stewards exercise their judgment"

Man he has a lot more faith in the stewards and their judgement then I do rather then a "foul is a foul" mentality.