Now We Know....

[Riot]

..where all the good 3YOs were. They weren't really racing. Between Harlem Rocker, Casino Drive, Unbridled's Heart and Biker Boy we actually have a chance to have some nice 3YO races this summer.

Thank god, it was my only and last hope.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by mclem10011

Unbridled's Heart really was impressive today, can't wait to see that one's next outing.

Went off at 3-5 (of course) but stumbled outta the gate and ran 3rd

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/45724.htm

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

....where all the good 3YOs were. They weren't really racing. Between Harlem Rocker, Casino Drive, Unbridled's Heart and Biker Boy we actually have a chance to have some nice 3YO races this summer. Every one of them seems better than every 3YO we saw on the TC trail save, perhaps, Big Brown.

Once again, Tom Albertrani did Darley/Godolphin a favor by somehow managing to keep Unbridled's Heart from going to Dubai over the winter. I wonder if they'll ever figure out that maybe they should stay over here.

I think we need to keep looking!

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I think we need to keep looking!

I agree... The 2yr olds that are running already are looking tons better than any of the "other" 3 yr olds this year

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Sherrifs has a nice three year old as well out west that could be decent this summer.

McLaughlin has a very good 3 yo, Leutenant Ron, who is very fragile but has a powerful turn of foot. He could be brilliant this year if he can stay healthy.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

Went off at 3-5 (of course) but stumbled outta the gate and ran 3rd

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/45724.htm

Rick Mattee, who trains for Godawful at Belmont just can't seem to keep a good thing going. Here he get Unbridled Heart who was absolutely wonderful in her maiden score on the Casino Drive undercard. Then the horse comes back and looks like a shadow of himself. And Little Belle? You remember the filly who was so tough in the Kentucky Oaks. She went to him healthy and he hasn't worked her once since April.

[blackthroatedwind]

She wasn't that tough in the KY Oaks. She was in a five way photo for a distant second....and Pure Clan got a terrible ride or would have been a clear second.

Little Belle is not much.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

She wasn't that tough in the KY Oaks. She was in a five way photo for a distant second....and Pure Clan got a terrible ride or would have been a clear second.

Little Belle is not much.

You know, I haven't seen anyone on this blog speak with as much certainty as you do. I would think you hit the pic 6 every day based on how confident you are of your assertions and judgements. Perhaps you are just compensating here.
Little Belle was coming off of a tough race where she put away a number of these horses in the Oaks. Came back a bit short by Mclaughlin's standards and ran a game race against a horse who was just hitting her stride. And, dare I say, you are wrong, there wasn't a photo for second. Little Belle was a clear second. But, my point was that the horse went to "Godawful" and without any injury or reason apparent, hasn't worked since April. Certainly a man in possession of the knowledge that you have has some understanding of the Etched, Little Belle, Unbridled Heart ...... "promotions". Just try to resist your urge to beat-up on folks and their opinions. You probably do have alot of info that many of us can benefit from. However, you disrespect yourself and your thoughts with cheap shots that I have seen you take fairly regularly on here.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

You know, I haven't seen anyone on this blog speak with as much certainty as you do. I would think you hit the pic 6 every day based on how confident you are of your assertions and judgements. Perhaps you are just compensating here.
Little Belle was coming off of a tough race where she put away a number of these horses in the Oaks. Came back a bit short by Mclaughlin's standards and ran a game race against a horse who was just hitting her stride. And, dare I say, you are wrong, there wasn't a photo for second. Little Belle was a clear second. But, my point was that the horse went to "Godawful" and without any injury or reason apparent, hasn't worked since April. Certainly a man in possession of the knowledge that you have has some understanding of the Etched, Little Belle, Unbridled Heart ...... "promotions". Just try to resist your urge to beat-up on folks and their opinions. You probably do have alot of info that many of us can benefit from. However, you disrespect yourself and your thoughts with cheap shots that I have seen you take fairly regularly on here.

So... he disagreed with your original statement and wrote a reponse that was by no means angry or a personal attack on you... a plain ol' statement.

and you disagree with his statement but respond with a personal attack on him............

For some reason I just find hypocrisy your post.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So... he disagreed with your original statement and wrote a reponse that was by no means angry or a personal attack on you... a plain ol' statement.

and you disagree with his statement but respond with a personal attack on him............

For some reason I just find hypocrisy your post.

I believe I noted that I was responding to a number of comments that I have read by him. Most of his, what I call, shots have been to others that I have seen. I believe I was balanced. He does have alot of information to offer. He just appears to like to take cheap shots, in my opinion. And, by the way, he didn't respond to my statement. My point was about the godolphin "promotions". Not Little Belle.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

You know, I haven't seen anyone on this blog speak with as much certainty as you do. I would think you hit the pic 6 every day based on how confident you are of your assertions and judgements. Perhaps you are just compensating here.
Little Belle was coming off of a tough race where she put away a number of these horses in the Oaks. Came back a bit short by Mclaughlin's standards and ran a game race against a horse who was just hitting her stride. And, dare I say, you are wrong, there wasn't a photo for second. Little Belle was a clear second. But, my point was that the horse went to "Godawful" and without any injury or reason apparent, hasn't worked since April. Certainly a man in possession of the knowledge that you have has some understanding of the Etched, Little Belle, Unbridled Heart ...... "promotions". Just try to resist your urge to beat-up on folks and their opinions. You probably do have alot of info that many of us can benefit from. However, you disrespect yourself and your thoughts with cheap shots that I have seen you take fairly regularly on here.

Who or what is "Godawful?"

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Who or what is "Godawful?"

Sorry. Godolphin. I have just grown to resent how they waste these great athletes by "promoting" them from the Albetrani's, McLaughlin's, etc.

[the_fat_man]

To get a sense of how bad Proud Belle is, you only need to look at TRAKUS for her race at KEE (4/5/08 R9); in particular, ground covered (feet)

in order of finish

2) Bsharpsonata +26

3) Proud Spell +54 and didn't handle the track

4) Life is Sweet +14

5) Country Star +65

etc.

In fact, this SUCKUP only ran LESS than a single horse in the race--the last place finisher and this by 3 feet.

What a shock that she ran 2nd in the Oaks. Then again, EDGAR was on Pure Clan.

So, to say that Little Belle is NOT MUCH, is to state the OBVIOUS.

Unless, you're one of the 'competition'; and we certainly encourage your opinions.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

To get a sense of how bad Proud Belle is, you only need to look at TRAKUS for her race at KEE (4/5/08 R9); in particular, ground covered (feet)

in order of finish

2) Bsharpsonata +26

3) Proud Spell +54 and didn't handle the track

4) Life is Sweet +14

5) Country Star +65

etc.

In fact, this SUCKUP only ran LESS than a single horse in the race--the last place finisher and this by 3 feet.

What a shock that she ran 2nd in the Oaks. Then again, EDGAR was on Pure Clan.

So, to say that Little Belle is NOT MUCH, is to state the OBVIOUS.

Unless, you're one of the 'competition'; and we certainly encourage your opinions.

I am not engaged here in a discussion about Little Belle. My point related to a comment regarding Unbridled Hearts first race under Godolphin. That's all. You are all welcome to your opinions about little belle. She did win however and I think it is at least agreed that the horse was very game in the stretch after running on the lead all the way. BUT AGAIN, MY POINT WASN'T ABOUT LITTLE BELLE BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO HORSES THAT GO TO GODOLPHIN. jeesh. But, if you are reacting to my comments regarding another member here than at least put it out there.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

You know, I haven't seen anyone on this blog speak with as much certainty as you do. I would think you hit the pic 6 every day based on how confident you are of your assertions and judgements. Perhaps you are just compensating here.
Little Belle was coming off of a tough race where she put away a number of these horses in the Oaks. Came back a bit short by Mclaughlin's standards and ran a game race against a horse who was just hitting her stride. And, dare I say, you are wrong, there wasn't a photo for second. Little Belle was a clear second. But, my point was that the horse went to "Godawful" and without any injury or reason apparent, hasn't worked since April. Certainly a man in possession of the knowledge that you have has some understanding of the Etched, Little Belle, Unbridled Heart ...... "promotions". Just try to resist your urge to beat-up on folks and their opinions. You probably do have alot of info that many of us can benefit from. However, you disrespect yourself and your thoughts with cheap shots that I have seen you take fairly regularly on here.

I missed this hypocritical attack. Good stuff! I'll be in a dunking booth for charity at Saratoga sometime during the meet. I suggest you start saving your quarters and work on your fastball.

If people can't back up what they post, as you can't with your Little Belle assertions, then it isn't my fault if they don't like my responses. This is an open forum for people to present their opinions....that does not exclude others from disagreeing. Sorry if you hadn't realized that. At least now I know why you took a foolish cheap shot at me in another thread.

By the way, five horses were within a length of each other for second in the KY Oaks.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I missed this hypocritical attack. Good stuff! I'll be in a dunking booth for charity at Saratoga sometime during the meet. I suggest you start saving your quarters and work on your fastball.

If people can't back up what they post, as you can't with your Little Belle assertions, then it isn't my fault if they don't like my responses. This is an open forum for people to present their opinions....that does not exclude others from disagreeing. Sorry if you hadn't realized that. At least now I know why you took a foolish cheap shot at me in another thread.

By the way, five horses were within a length of each other for second in the KY Oaks.

Don't have a clue what you mean by not backing myself up. I indicated that Little Belle wasn't the issue but you persist. So, you indicated she won a photo for second. You suggest that she "wasn't much" because other horses had longer trips than she. Now why is that? Oh yes, that's right, if they tried to stay with her they wouldn't have been able to sustain their drive and would have faltered. Some can't run that way. Yep your right, she ran her race, beat everyone in the field and "isn't much".

There wasn't a photo for second which is what you indicated previously. Saying she isn't much is a bit silly but we ARE in an open forum so you are welcome to your opinion, as am I. Your comment regarding a cheap shot in another thread just related to my agreement with yet another person who appeared to resent youR sarcastic/critical remarks. I believe he indicated you needed to have some manners.

You see, even in an open forum, everyone is expected to engage in civil and appropriate conduct. You are good though. You manage to change the issue slightly to support yourself. A photo for second becomes a number of horses within a length of one another (still not correct but at this point, who cares). My comment about the Shadwell promotions, which was my entire point, is lost amidst all this bs. I don't agree that this is "good stuff" however. Your enjoyment of it is rather sad.

[blackthroatedwind]

By the way, I pretty much agree with your other points about Godolphin and Rick Mettee. Maybe it's unfair, but it does seem like the horses switched to him from Tom Albertrani haven't performed well, at least recently. Now, Unbridled's Heart got a mediocre trip, so maybe we're being a little hasty, and maybe I overrated him to begin with, but the terrible performance turned in by the once promising Barrier Reef is troubling. Ever since that horse went from Albertrani to Godolphin they have made one puzzling decision after another and now it appears he can no longer run particularly well. But, maybe I overrated him as well.

All I did was suggest that I didn't think Little Belle was much horse to begin with. Feel free to disagree. However, I think if you take a second and look back on your response you will see that it is unfairly personal.