New poll- best juice

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

some of the guys over at delaware have a good thing going.

Some rumors are that somehow amicar can mask certain drugs. That doesn't make any sense to me, and i haven't heard of a logical scientific explanation.

Some pretty amazing trainer stats over at delaware park. Some of these guys are not only winning a high%, but moving up animals with bad past performance at other tracks in their first start at del.

Surprising it may be, but Scott Lake is one of the few good% winners who doesn't always use amicar. Nunley is the other i've noticed, although i never heard of a reputation for him.

You do realize that most rumors are not true and those concerning medications in racehorses are almost always untrue. Amicar does help bad bleeders to an extent and is hardly a powerful drug.

It is a lot easier to win at a high % when you are always in 5 horse fields.

[Bobby Fischer]

hey Larry Jones is one of my favorite trainers. I like most of his barn. I am not saying that he and a few others have some a medication edge.

I was merely defending my man Scott Lake from the allegations

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

hey Larry Jones is one of my favorite trainers. I like most of his barn. I am not saying that he and a few others have some a medication edge.

I was merely defending my man Scott Lake from the allegations

Saying that a trainer (not necessarily Scott Lake) is defensible because he doesnt use amicar is like saying that Saddam Hussien wasnt a bad guy because there were no weapons of mass destruction found.

[Bobby Fischer]

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Saying that a trainer (not necessarily Scott Lake) is defensible because he doesnt use amicar is like saying that Saddam Hussien wasnt a bad guy because there were no weapons of mass destruction found.

Excellent point -- absolutely excellent.

Eric

[ELA]

Very, very true about Oscar. For those of you who don't know, Oscar used to train for the Triple Fox Stables, one of the very early versions of partnerships, syndications, etc. -- founded by none other than our own Bob Fox.

Also, I wonder when, where, how, etc. a trainer joins the "we just know he's cheating club" so to speak. We have the Lake's, Asmussen's, Norman's, Dutrow's, et al -- those who have numerous positive tests. What % of these were for exotic, designer, etc. type of drugs and what % was for clenbuterol overages, legal everyday drugs, etc. Regardless, it doesn't matter. However, is it those positive tests that get the guy membership into the "juice trainer" or "super trainer" club?

My point being is that it can be subjective, objective and very much based upon interpretation, understanding, etc.

Anyway, great thread.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ELA

Very, very true about Oscar. For those of you who don't know, Oscar used to train for the Triple Fox Stables, one of the very early versions of partnerships, syndications, etc. -- founded by none other than our own Bob Fox.

Also, I wonder when, where, how, etc. a trainer joins the "we just know he's cheating club" so to speak. We have the Lake's, Asmussen's, Norman's, Dutrow's, et al -- those who have numerous positive tests. What % of these were for exotic, designer, etc. type of drugs and what % was for clenbuterol overages, legal everyday drugs, etc. Regardless, it doesn't matter. However, is it those positive tests that get the guy membership into the "juice trainer" or "super trainer" club?

My point being is that it can be subjective, objective and very much based upon interpretation, understanding, etc.

Anyway, great thread.

Eric

Lake was winning at somewhere around a 30% clip in New York. When they implemented the detention barn, his win percetage dropped down to around 7%. He went from having one of the highest winning percentages to one of the lowest. Then he pretty much moved all of his horses to Delaware.

I think that would make most reasonable people wonder about Lake.