Best race in Delaware Park history???

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway and indian charlie are not in the same league

That's an understatement.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's an understatement.

i am glad we agree....
giant is going to be a sire of all sires...
storm cat already is.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am glad we agree....
giant is going to be a sire of all sires...
storm cat already is.

I'm glad you think we agree.

Facts do not support your position however. If you look at the quality of mares both horses have been bred to, it really is no contest who the better stallion is. Considering that about 90% of the mares bred to Indian Charlie (in the first five years) were either unraced or never won a race, what he's accomplished at stud so far is beyond amazing.

There are only a few stallions in this country that move up their mares the way he does.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am glad we agree....
giant is going to be a sire of all sires...
storm cat already is.

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

he was a bust as a sire of sires til the giant came along. thing is, giant's causeway's fee is huge, so you have to consider the ROI with him, as compared to a horse like indian charlie. having a giants baby not sell would be a lot bigger loss to swallow than an IC for instance...

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he was a bust as a sire of sires til the giant came along. thing is, giant's causeway's fee is huge, so you have to consider the ROI with him, as compared to a horse like indian charlie. having a giants baby not sell would be a lot bigger loss to swallow than an IC for instance...

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

as for him on the track, well listen, ppl on this site say curlin would get destroyed in the ARC, so what does that say about the giant, he came here first time on dirt vs americas best, and almost got it done.... he is very underated as a race horse and sire.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

Not if he stays in the United States. His stud fee has steadily dropped over the past few years, and if he doesn't produce a "big horse" on the dirt soon, he'll be viewed as simply a turf sire.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Not if he stays in the United States. His stud fee has steadily dropped over the past few years, and if he doesn't produce a "big horse" on the dirt soon, he'll be viewed as simply a turf sire.

heatseeker
first samurai

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

as for him on the track, well listen, ppl on this site say curlin would get destroyed in the ARC, so what does that say about the giant, he came here first time on dirt vs americas best, and almost got it done.... he is very underated as a race horse and sire.

GC always got his just due as a racer, and he's overrated as a sire. especially by you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I actually disagree that he gets his due for what he did on the track, at least in this country. He is overated as a sire and this fascination stuff is weird. But he was a hell of a runner.

i thought he got a lot of credit here, especially after his bc--and that that was why they kept him here to stand.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years....

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

it would break the monotony. at least sunday silence was great in both careers!!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

i dont know... sire wise giant is still very young

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What is your weird thing with Giants Causeway? How did it start?

just consider my point about him as a race horse not a sire, ppl on this website say curlin will get crushed in the ARC, but dident giant causeway do the same thing, he came here for are best race, and just missed

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What is your weird thing with Giants Causeway? How did it start?

it started in the breeders cup, i just had a feelings, i boxed him and tiznow, pretty big bet, and hit it.... then i looked up on him, watched his races and realized he was a amazing horse, with a amazing pedigree

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

it started in the breeders cup, i just had a feelings, i boxed him and tiznow, pretty big bet, and hit it.... then i looked up on him, watched his races and realized he was a amazing horse, with a amazing pedigree

you'd be better off cheering for tiznow, he's turning out to be quite a sire, without the price tag.

and they asked for dirt horses, heatseeker is a dirt horse? besides, if that's the best/all he can produce at his price, he needs to go back to the uk.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

Forestry, Hennessy, Tale of the Cat, Forest Wildcat, Harlan, Catienus, Exploit, Yankee Gentleman, Freud, Pure Prize...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

Forestry, Hennessy, Tale of the Cat, Forest Wildcat, Harlan, Catienus, Exploit, Yankee Gentleman, Freud, Pure Prize...

Forestry? LOL. True, his get sell well, but cmon, he sucks.

Especially at 125k or so.

Forest Wildcat is moderate at best.

Hennessy is one I forgot about. He did okay here and there.

TOTC gets a decent runner now and then, but mostly they are pretty frail and don't amount to much.

Harlan was good, but short lived.


Catienus is solid, considering his start at stud (wasn't he in NY?).

I'll take a pass on Freud and Exploit. Yankee Gentleman got off to a nice start and Pure Prize has had a couple of good runners.

I just don't see that as a tremendous roster for a supposed sire of sires.

Would you like a partial list from Northern Dancer, Mr. P., or even Raise a Native?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Forestry? LOL. True, his get sell well, but cmon, he sucks.

Especially at 125k or so.

Forest Wildcat is moderate at best.

Hennessy is one I forgot about. He did okay here and there.

TOTC gets a decent runner now and then, but mostly they are pretty frail and don't amount to much.

Harlan was good, but short lived.


Catienus is solid, considering his start at stud (wasn't he in NY?).

I'll take a pass on Freud and Exploit. Yankee Gentleman got off to a nice start and Pure Prize has had a couple of good runners.

I just don't see that as a tremendous roster for a supposed sire of sires.

Would you like a partial list from Northern Dancer, Mr. P., or even Raise a Native?

Isn't it a little unfair to compare Storm Cat to Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or Raise A Native?

I'm no pedigree expert but I don't see how that's a fair comparison.

NT

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Isn't it a little unfair to compare Storm Cat to Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or Raise A Native?

I'm no pedigree expert but I don't see how that's a fair comparison.

NT

Unfair? If he's a sire of sires, then those are the standards to compare against.

$4 a gallon, now that's unfair!