IEAH still whining, threatening to go to Haskell

ArlJim78 · #1 06-10-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

This is the most ridiculous reply I've ever witnessed on an internet message board. Please continue.

i'm honored

ShadowRoll · #2 06-10-2008, 02:52 PM

I understand that Iavarone and IEAH aren't the most likable people in the world, but it's a bit unfair to attack everything they say and do. Iavarone's not the anti-christ. Look:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/rah/photo...ydp123&prov=ap

And trying to get the best conditions for your horse, or trying to influence track officials to give you the conditions you want (like tightening up the track) isn't anything new and certainly isn't nefarious. In fact, some would consider such bluster to be part of the game. How is this any different than Asmussen complaining about Curlin's weight assignment? It's the same thing -- threaten to walk and maybe you'll get what you want.

Cannon Shell · #3 06-10-2008, 02:54 PM

http://paulmoranattheraces.blogspot....licksters.html

blackthroatedwind · #4 06-10-2008, 02:56 PM

I am quite sure they would like to get Big Brown back to the races this summer. Considering all the value he has lost, he now has more upside than downside, and racing him is what they need to do. However, I will be extremely surprised if he can get back to the racetrack this summer....if at all this year. I think Big Brown is spent.

asudevil · #5 06-10-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am quite sure they would like to get Big Brown back to the races this summer. Considering all the value he has lost, he now has more upside than downside, and racing him is what they need to do. However, I will be extremely surprised if he can get back to the racetrack this summer....if at all this year. I think Big Brown is spent.

Agree!!! He needs to be "turned out" for 90 days minimum. In mid October they can take him off the farm and decide the next move.

CSC · #6 06-10-2008, 03:32 PM

I feel sorry for the horse, he is hated by association to the Owner and Trainer. He really isn't a bad horse, but it's sure hard rooting for him with those 2 constantly putting their foots in their mouths.

Cannon Shell · #7 06-10-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I feel sorry for the horse, he is hated by association to the Owner and Trainer. He really isn't a bad horse, but it's sure hard rooting for him with those 2 constantly putting their foots in their mouths.

I'm sure the horse doesnt care if people hate him

Dunbar · #8 06-10-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am quite sure they would like to get Big Brown back to the races this summer. Considering all the value he has lost, he now has more upside than downside, and racing him is what they need to do.

I disagree, BTW. I think there is more downside to running him again. He is still the Derby and Preakness winner. And even if he doesn't run again, there's probably a 75% chance he'll be the 3-yr-old Eclipse winner.

His loss in the Belmont was so thorough that they can find some hairline fracture to blame it on and then retire him. I think there's much better than a 50/50 chance he never runs again.

If he runs again and loses again, then they're in trouble value-wise. (Unless they find that hairline fracture and blame both races on it!)

--Dunbar

blackthroatedwind · #9 06-10-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

I disagree, BTW. I think there is more downside to running him again. He is still the Derby and Preakness winner. And even if he doesn't run again, there's probably a 75% chance he'll be the 3-yr-old Eclipse winner.

His loss in the Belmont was so thorough that they can find some hairline fracture to blame it on and then retire him. I think there's much better than a 50/50 chance he never runs again.

If he runs again and loses again, then they're in trouble value-wise. (Unless they find that hairline fracture and blame both races on it!)

--Dunbar

I'm not saying he has no downside. But, with his breeding, he's at the bottom end of what he could be worth considering his accomplishments.

You could argue both sides. I think they want to race him to give him back some luster.

Rupert Pupkin · #10 06-10-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

I disagree, BTW. I think there is more downside to running him again. He is still the Derby and Preakness winner. And even if he doesn't run again, there's probably a 75% chance he'll be the 3-yr-old Eclipse winner.

His loss in the Belmont was so thorough that they can find some hairline fracture to blame it on and then retire him. I think there's much better than a 50/50 chance he never runs again.

If he runs again and loses again, then they're in trouble value-wise. (Unless they find that hairline fracture and blame both races on it!)

--Dunbar

As I have told you before, owners and trainers don't make up stories about hairline fractures. It is totally the opposite. They will often tell you that there is nothing wrong with a horse when there is in fact something wrong. They will also sometimes downplay injuries. Sometimes they'll even say that the horse has a bruised foot, when in fact he has something more serious.

But I have never seen or heard of an owner or trainer claiming a horse has a serious injury when he doesn't. When you are going to stand a horse at stud, you want people to think the horse was sound. The last thing in the world that you would do is say that the horse had a hairline fracture if he didn't.

I agree with you that BB will probably never run again. But it won't be beacuse of a made-up injury. It will most likely be because of his foot. By the time that foot is 100%, the year will pretty much be over.

ArlJim78 · #11 06-10-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

I understand that Iavarone and IEAH aren't the most likable people in the world, but it's a bit unfair to attack everything they say and do. Iavarone's not the anti-christ. Look:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/rah/photo...ydp123&prov=ap

And trying to get the best conditions for your horse, or trying to influence track officials to give you the conditions you want (like tightening up the track) isn't anything new and certainly isn't nefarious. In fact, some would consider such bluster to be part of the game. How is this any different than Asmussen complaining about Curlin's weight assignment? It's the same thing -- threaten to walk and maybe you'll get what you want.

not a good example because he gets slammed more than anyone.

The Bid · #12 06-10-2008, 02:59 PM

The Moran article is good

Lyons is probably looking for the next coolmore castoff to buy for IEAH now that Frost Giant has shown everyone what a crow he is.

He does deserve some credit for Ariege. As slow as she is, she is a G1 winner. She was well spotted and not a bad buy compared to some they have went after

ShadowRoll · #13 06-10-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

not a good example because he gets slammed more than anyone.

You're right about that. But plenty of people involved in this sport are vocal in the media. A lot of them probably do it for tactical reasons (although you can never discount the possibility that they might just be an a$$hole). Iavarone's not unique, nor is he the worst one.

ArlJim78 · #14 06-10-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

You're right about that. But plenty of people involved in this sport are vocal in the media. A lot of them probably do it for tactical reasons (although you can never discount the possibility that they might just be an a$$hole). Iavarone's not unique, nor is he the worst one.

you're right, he's not the only one.

Kasept · #15 06-10-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

not a good example because he gets slammed more than anyone.

Asmussen is getting 'slammed' far less than he used to.... before Curlin. In fact, Curlin has seemingly earned him some element of respectability that had eluded him.

Storm Cadet · #16 06-10-2008, 04:30 PM

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16558884/de...l?dl=mainclick

I thought of Ieah Mr Shades when I saw this Talk about a Bridgejumper!

GBBob · #17 06-10-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16558884/de...l?dl=mainclick

I thought of Ieah Mr Shades when I saw this Talk about a Bridgejumper!

Somebody probably threw him off

parsixfarms · #18 06-10-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Asmussen is getting 'slammed' far less than he used to.... before Curlin. In fact, Curlin has seemingly earned him some element of respectability that had eluded him.

Dutrow's stolen the spotlight as the current "poster boy" for what ails the sport.

ArlJim78 · #19 06-10-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Asmussen is getting 'slammed' far less than he used to.... before Curlin. In fact, Curlin has seemingly earned him some element of respectability that had eluded him.

you are right on the money there. he's not slammed like before.

Danzig · #20 06-10-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Asmussen is getting 'slammed' far less than he used to.... before Curlin. In fact, Curlin has seemingly earned him some element of respectability that had eluded him.

yeah, that's true. what a shame. well, dutrow went from cheater to rogue. can't wait til biancone comes back, gets a big horse...maybe they can come up with a charming way to describe him as well.