Especially To The Critics Of Big Brown

DogsUp · #1 06-08-2008, 11:27 PM

Here is my two cents.

1) There has only been a hand full of horses that went undefeated in their career. These great atheletes are not machines and they can run a bad race from time to time. One loss does not mean that a horse doesnt deserve to be considered extremely good. What irritated me yesterday was people saying that BB had to how a showing like that of Secretariate. I think that it crap. Since when isnt winning enough? I think BB will be champion three year old.

2) Two horses come to mind that cna sweep the Jim Dandy, Travers, and BCC and those two are Dennis of Cork and Harlem Rocker. This is assuming that Curlin does race in the BCC.

ateamstupid · #2 06-08-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DogsUp

Here is my two cents.

1) There has only been a hand full of horses that went undefeated in their career. These great atheletes are not machines and they can run a bad race from time to time. One loss does not mean that a horse doesnt deserve to be considered extremely good. What irritated me yesterday was people saying that BB had to how a showing like that of Secretariate. I think that it crap. Since when isnt winning enough? I think BB will be champion three year old.

2) Two horses come to mind that cna sweep the Jim Dandy, Travers, and BCC and those two are Dennis of Cork and Harlem Rocker. This is assuming that Curlin does race in the BCC.

Denis of Cork? Really?

DogsUp · #3 06-08-2008, 11:41 PM

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Denis of Cork? Really?

Why not? He isn't anything special but neither is anyone else at this point (assuming BB doesn't race again). He finished 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the Belmont. Why not him? Heck, anyone can clunk up and become a star from this bunch of 3 year olds. He has a good of shot as any.

ateamstupid · #4 06-08-2008, 11:47 PM

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Why not? He isn't anything special but neither is anyone else at this point (assuming BB doesn't race again). He finished 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the Belmont. Why not him? Heck, anyone can clunk up and become a star from this bunch of 3 year olds. He has a good of shot as any.

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

DogsUp · #5 06-08-2008, 11:50 PM

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Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

ateamstupid · #6 06-08-2008, 11:55 PM

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I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

Well, that's my point. I'm banking on it being a slightly better cast of characters. Even if it's not though, Denis doesn't strike me as a horse with enough stamina or tactical speed to win a race like the Travers or Classic.

DogsUp · #7 06-08-2008, 11:59 PM

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Well, that's my point. I'm banking on it being a slightly better cast of characters. Even if it's not though, Denis doesn't strike me as a horse with enough stamina or tactical speed to win a race like the Travers or Classic.

You seem to be correct about his lack of stamina and/or tactical speed.

I wonder if Larry Jones will enter his other filly in the big races. That would be interesting.

dalakhani · #8 06-09-2008, 12:02 AM

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Well, that's my point. I'm banking on it being a slightly better cast of characters. Even if it's not though, Denis doesn't strike me as a horse with enough stamina or tactical speed to win a race like the Travers or Classic.

Stamina is one issue he doesnt have in my opinion.

His biggest problem is that he is a plodder that gives the visual impression of being a closer because he is passing dying horses.

And no, he isnt going to win a travers or a jim dandy for that matter and it doesnt really matter how weak the cast is.

Danzig · #9 06-09-2008, 07:07 AM

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I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

don't forget georgie boy, if he comes back the same as he was before injury.

Pedigree Ann · #10 06-09-2008, 06:44 AM

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There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

At this point of the year, Tiznow had just won his first stakes race, a G3 at Hollywood Park. FuPeg had beaten some questionable sorts in the Derby and was upset by Red Bullet in the Preakness; he then sat out the Belmont, won by the poster boy for 'anybody who can stay sound can win a classic' Commendable.

Sightseek · #11 06-09-2008, 12:43 PM

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Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

There is...his name is Unbridled's Heart.

MisterB · #12 06-09-2008, 04:32 AM

Why blame BB. Kent lost the race

hoovesupsideyourhead · #13 06-09-2008, 11:09 AM

what happened to biker boy?

lemoncrush · #14 06-09-2008, 12:25 PM

It seemed that the conditioning and lack of "bottom' put into this horse by not running in the fall, and not even going to the track in January, finally caught up to him. I still don't think he's anything close to a bum, or a fraud.
He ran well fresh in his allowance win and Fla. derby win, and again on 5 weeks rest in the KY derby.

The 3 triple crown races in 5 weeks would have taken it's toll on any 3-yo this year, with or without the sweltering heat at Belmont last Saturday.
BB was the only horse that did run in all 3 triple crown races, so I give the horse credit for trying. He was just out of gas.

slotdirt · #15 06-09-2008, 12:29 PM

Lots of other horses in that race had run just as often as Big Brown had, so I don't think the fact that he was the only competitor to run in all three Triple Crown races should be an excuse. Macho Again rain in the Derby Trial on April 26th, the Preakness, and the Belmont. Da' Tara ran the same schedule as Macho Again, but instead ran in the Barbaro on the Preakness undercard. Icabad Crane was on his third race in seven weeks as well.