5/31 (TDN): Ohio Derby (Gr. II) Smooth Air-102 BSF

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Visionaire would've been the worst of three Derby horses in the field.

Yeah Smooth air is better than him.

Lay off the crack pipe.

[hockey2315]

Visionaire isn't a good horse. . .

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Visionaire isn't a good horse. . .

He's ok.


Better than Smooth Air though. Probably the same as Z fortune...runs a good race once in a while.

[hockey2315]

1. Z Fortune
2. Smooth Air
3. Visionaire

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

1. Z Fortune
2. Smooth Air
3. Visionaire

Smooth Air ....LOL.

Please. I'll give ya Z fortune.

Smooth Air is an ok sprinter. Visionaire would own him going a mile and longer.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yeah Smooth air is better than him.

Lay off the crack pipe.

Right. Visionaire has what? One win in a monsoon over Texas Wildshatter, who was beaten a half-mile in his next start? Awesome. Can't argue with that. Oh wait, there was also his monstrous, sound-barrier shattering FIFTH in the Blue Grass. I stand corrected.

[NTamm1215]

Z Fortune may very well win this race but I'd be careful who I'd argue he's better than. I think we all saw pretty clearly that the Ark Derby was an abysmal horse race that was given a very high Beyer yet was chock full of extremely average horses. If Gayego and Z Fortune's terrible performances weren't enough to convince you, look up the Lone Star Derby also rans that were Ark Derby participants.

In Z Fortune's other "good" race he held off the monster Blackberry Road.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Z Fortune may very well win this race but I'd be careful who I'd argue he's better than. I think we all saw pretty clearly that the Ark Derby was an abysmal horse race that was given a very high Beyer yet was chock full of extremely average horses. If Gayego and Z Fortune's terrible performances weren't enough to convince you, look up the Lone Star Derby also rans that were Ark Derby participants.

In Z Fortune's other "good" race he held off the monster Blackberry Road.

NT

He's no monster, but Visionaire sucks.

[NTamm1215]

I saw that jcs made a reappearance today. If he's here then what the hell are we doing talking about this race, he probably had this thing figured out three or four weeks ago.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I saw that jcs made a reappearance today. If he's here then what the hell are we doing talking about this race, he probably had this thing figured out three or four weeks ago.

NT

He's betting a Cowbal Cal/Court Vision exacta, because it probably has a better shot of coming in in here than it did in the Derby.

[blackthroatedwind]

I can't believe there is an argument over who is better.....Smooth Air or Visionaire.


For what it's worth, Smooth Air is OK at 7F.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So does Smooth Air. And Z Fortune and pretty much every other 3 year old colt right now.

I love this guy's argument that those two are ok but Visionaire sucks.

I wonder how much he lost on Visionaire in The Bluegrass ?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Right. Visionaire has what? One win in a monsoon over Texas Wildshatter, who was beaten a half-mile in his next start? Awesome. Can't argue with that. Oh wait, there was also his monstrous, sound-barrier shattering FIFTH in the Blue Grass. I stand corrected.

Yes...and Z fortune and Smooth Air have monsterous wins also. Please.....Who have they beaten?

All 3 are ok 3 yr olds....I cant see a HUGE difference between any of em.

Z fortune has an allowance race where he beat nada in Dec. Then he beats the mighty Blackberry Road in The Lecomte....Blackberry Road hasnt done a thing all year. The Darp is a nice horse though.........

Smooth Air had a nice race in The Hutcheson....then runs 3rd to 2 average horses at Tampa...suck up 2nd in FL Derby ahead a bunch of misfits (show me one decent horse who ran in there besides BB)....


As far as the Derby....Z fortune..Smooth Air...and Visionaire all finished basically within 2 lengths of eachother in order....so to say that one of them is garbage and the other 2 aren't is rather ridiculous

[hockey2315]

Umm. . . Weren't you the one who said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yes...and Z fortune and Smooth Air have monsterous wins also. Please.....Who have they beaten?

All 3 are ok 3 yr olds....I cant see a HUGE difference between any of em.

Z fortune has an allowance race where he beat nada in Dec. Then he beats the mighty Blackberry Road in The Lecomte....Blackberry Road hasnt done a thing all year. The Darp is a nice horse though.........

Smooth Air had a nice race in The Hutcheson....then runs 3rd to 2 average horses at Tampa...suck up 2nd in FL Derby ahead a bunch of misfits (show me one decent horse who ran in there besides BB)....


As far as the Derby....Z fortune..Smooth Air...and Visionaire all finished basically within 2 lengths of eachother in order....so to say that one of them is garbage and the other 2 aren't is rather ridiculous

LOL, this whole thing started because you said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths. I never said the other two were tons better than him, I was just pointing out how ridiculous that was.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, this whole thing started because you said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths. I never said the other two were tons better than him, I was just pointing out how ridiculous that was.

Was being sarcastic....sorry about that. But in all seriousness I think he could beat this field......rather pathetic bunch.