Prado on Casino Drive

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Prado loses the mount on Big Brown.....then is the jock on the horse that beats Big Brown. I would say it's safe to say that Dutrow wont be riding Prado anymore if CD beats BB.


http://drf.com/news/article/94957.html

anyone else surprised by this, for 2 reasons?

a) as previously stated, prado and dutrow have a relationship...wouldn't it seem odd if prado beats big brown?

b) from the casino drive side...prado and dutrow have a relationship...how did it work out for hard spun last year when he had TAP's co-main man riding him against rags?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

anyone else surprised by this, for 2 reasons?

a) as previously stated, prado and dutrow have a relationship...wouldn't it seem odd if prado beats big brown?

b) from the casino drive side...prado and dutrow have a relationship...how did it work out for hard spun last year when he had TAP's co-main man riding him against rags?

I dont think Prado would risk his whole career to throw/not try in one race. If Prado gave CD a "questionable" ride a lot of trainers would never ride him again.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I dont think Prado would risk his whole career to throw/not try in one race. If Prado gave CD a "questionable" ride a lot of trainers would never ride him again.

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...Hard Spun walks the shedrow faster than they went in the Belmont last year...

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...

Gomez didnt stiff HS. He just gave a bad ride. Cant really compare the 2 situations.

I think people are implying that because of the relationship between Prado/Dutrow, Prado might not try. I doubt Prado would be that stupid to jeopardize his whole future.

[philcski]

Anybody insinuating that Prado would stiff the ride on Casino Drive to try to beat Big Brown (or alternatively, to let Big Brown win) is really off base.


He isn't Jerry Bailey.

[deltagulf]

Originally Posted by philcski

Anybody insinuating that Prado would stiff the ride on Casino Drive to try to beat Big Brown (or alternatively, to let Big Brown win) is really off base.


He isn't Jerry Bailey.

aren't they here to win can't see prado doing anything funny. with the

world watching to see if b.b. can win.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Gomez didnt stiff HS. He just gave a bad ride. Cant really compare the 2 situations.

I think people are implying that because of the relationship between Prado/Dutrow, Prado might not try. I doubt Prado would be that stupid to jeopardize his whole future.

So you are saying that there isn't anyone else out there, besides me and probably Porter, that thinks it was more than just a bad ride? 115 and 1/5 for 3/4's with Hard Spun under a Santos-like stranglehold, watching Curlin the whole way and keeping him pinned down on the rail, moving whenever he moved, while Rags was able to run in the clear the whole way.

Remember, Gomez was Rags jock and Porter wouldn't let him out of the commitment after TAP announce she was going to run.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

So you are saying that there isn't anyone else out there, besides me and probably Porter, that thinks it was more than just a bad ride? 115 and 1/5 for 3/4's with Hard Spun under a Santos-like stranglehold, watching Curlin the whole way and keeping him pinned down on the rail, moving whenever he moved, while Rags was able to run in the clear the whole way.

Remember, Gomez was Rags jock and Porter wouldn't let him out of the commitment after TAP announce she was going to run.

Thinking like that is INSANE. Hard Spun was not gonna win that race on the lead. They tried to rate him....didnt work. You really think a top jock like Gomez is gonna throw a race on purpose? Do you know for a fact that Jones didnt tell Gomez to try and rate HS?

Crazy thinking.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Thinking like that is INSANE. Hard Spun was not gonna win that race on the lead. They tried to rate him....didnt work. You really think a top jock like Gomez is gonna throw a race on purpose? Do you know for a fact that Jones didnt tell Gomez to try and rate HS?

Crazy thinking.

Did you just hear hear yourself? Try and RATE Hard Spun? Seriously? The only chance the horse had was if HE got loose and forced everyone to come and get him. It was his ONLY chance. If there wasn't something up then it was the all-time worst ride by a guy who is considered a current world class jockey. How odd would that be?

[hockey2315]

There's no way that Gomez blew that ride on purpose - but I disagree that rating was his best chance to win.

[booner]

What happened to Take coming to Belmont?

Of course, the obvious answer would be Prado's familiarity with Belmont Park; I was just wondering if something else happened.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by booner

What happened to Take coming to Belmont?

Of course, the obvious answer would be Prado's familiarity with Belmont Park; I was just wondering if something else happened.

Not sure but Vodka is now probable for the Yasuda Kinen (on the 8th) which could have had something to do with it.....

That's just speculation though.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...Hard Spun walks the shedrow faster than they went in the Belmont last year...

yeah go-go is a good rider. but sometimes i question his rides. last years belmont was one of them. i'll admit i bet hardspun. but come on they were walking and he held that horse back. the horses advantage is his tactical speed. and why did the trainer change to begin with. Larry jones gets all these praises, but i don't know . pino was good with that horse.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You seem to be forgetting that Prado rode the Preakness to win, like he was supposed to. He boxed in Big brown out of the first turn and Dutrow complained about it in the press. Prado is a pro, I doubt he'll do anything but give his best out there.

How did Prado box in BB? This is bull crap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He tried to - KJD was able to get outside - but at something of a cost.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He tried to - KJD was able to get outside - but at something of a cost.

What did it cost him?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What did it cost him?

It's hard to say exactly.

If he's not a big favorite with a bullseye on his back - he and the two other speeds try and back the pace down and make it easy on each other and hard on the rest of the field.

Instead - Smith and Prado on the two other speed horses tried to do a little race riding with Big Brown and Kent did what he had to in order to get out of it.

Big Brown ran a very mediocre figure - and the other two speeds finished 11th and 12th in a 12 horse field - 8 lengths behind whoever finished 10th. Obviously all three would have ran better individual races if they decided to work as a team and backed down the pace instead of race ride.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by MisterB

How did Prado box in BB? This is bull crap.

Dutrow was just crying like a little girl for some reason. He should never cry about jockeys doing what Prado did considering he has used jockeys a few times to do things that weren't in the best interest of the horse they were riding.

Dutrow can say what he wants but he can't be happy to see Prado on his main competition. Prado is a better rider than Kent. Kent gets nervous, Prado does not. It probably won't matter though unless Casino Drive is incredibly talented.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you watch the race, he attempted to keep him boxed in as they came into the backstretch. Kent D got him outside and the rest is history. But, he did try to and Dutrow noticed. Here's some of his comments about it.

Dutrow commented on the ride by Edgar Prado aboard Riley Tucker in the Preakness. Prado, who often rides for Dutrow, rode Riley Tucker aggressively to keep Big Brown down on the rail as the field entered the backstretch. After a half-mile was run, Desormeaux was able to ease back and come outside of Riley Tucker and the pacesetting Gayego. Riley Tucker finished last.

“It looked like (Prado) was just trying to keep our horse in a box, and not out to get the best finish out of his horse,” said Dutrow, who remarked he received a phone call from Riley Tucker’s owner, Ahmed Zayat, who told him he was upset by Prado’s ride. “It looked like he just did something to keep our horse in behind his horse, and he had to go out of his way to do it.”

"I got paid to win the race, not to pay favors," Prado said in a phone interview between races at Belmont Park.

Prado, a Hall of Fame jockey, was set to ride Big Brown in the horse's career debut in September but was injured two races beforehand. Big Brown's owners later chose Kent Desormeaux over Prado for his 3-year-old season.

"Edgar being with us so much, it looks like he did something just to keep our horse in behind the other horse," Dutrow said. "He had to go way out of his way to do it. So we're not real happy about that, either."

From ESPN.com and Bloodhorse

Bull crap huh? Good call as usual.

You read to much of the Dutrow News broadcast. What I saw was KD trapping himself, and Prado race riding, as he should. KD could have moved out off the rail if he wanted to, but didn't, so now Prado tried to box him in. Again Bull crap!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You seem to be forgetting that Prado rode the Preakness to win, like he was supposed to. He boxed in Big brown out of the first turn and Dutrow complained about it in the press. Prado is a pro, I doubt he'll do anything but give his best out there.

At this point all Prado is capable of is his 'best' impersonation of Ariel Smith. Which, I might add, he seems to have mastered.