A Reason to Root...

[fpsoxfan]

I'm thinking about kicking in a buck for every beer I drink that day.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I'm thinking about kicking in a buck for every beer I drink that day.

Great gesture, but I'm not sure how far three or four dollars will go in this instance.

[AeWingnut]

I didn't know that Dutrow drove a mercedes

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I didn't know that Dutrow drove a mercedes

I'm surprised the guy doesn't drive a freaking Bugatti with all the big races he's won.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Great gesture, but I'm not sure how far three or four dollars will go in this instance.

Three or four dollars? Hell, it would be pretty close to the $40 he might win.

[Payson Dave]

Link to a blog with details on BB quarter crack issue...
http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/

[Quiet Chris]

I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

they were just trying to give a good story and reason for Belmont Day and Big Brown, nothing at all wrong with that.

[freddymo]

Yeah I heard Ivarone set up a foundation for the cop. He will manage the fund and ONLY chop 20% of the donations for his efforts...Look a man has to earn whenever an opportunity presents itself.. The guy is a sweetheart..lol

I guess anything going to the poor cop is helpful..Just hard to believe anything they say or do isnt jaded..

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

they were just trying to give a good story and reason for Belmont Day and Big Brown, nothing at all wrong with that.

Give quietly if you really are interesting in helping. You don't have to turn tragedies into public relations events. If the beneficiary wants to make it public ok, but going to the press and saying you will give part of the horses winning to somebody is really nothing more than a way of trying to get the public to root for your horse.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by philcski

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

so A One Rocket went on to win the race? Read the story but am still a little confused.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by philcski

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

The hospital they are building is a for-profit hospital.

And I don't forgive people that make their money in chop shops screwing the average guy usually out of retirement money because they contribute some money to a charity.

Bad people give money and make it public because they want people to think they are good. Just ask Michael Milken. Don't like Milken than use the former Curlin owners. IEAH is just doing the same thing.

"There are many bizarre aspects of the story behind the three Fen Phen lawyers on criminal trial for alleging bilking their clients out of $65 million of settlement money. The most well-reported oddity is that two of the lawyers used settlement funds to invest in the race horse, Curlin. But how about their decision to donate $20 million of the $200 million settlement to a charitable fund — called the Kentucky Fund For Healthy Living"

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by philcski

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

I think people need to watch the movie Boiler Room to find out the kind of "Wall Street" career these scumbags have had.


While the idea of a hospital is nice....Iavarone on tv said they are in it to make profits. I figured this dirtbag was in it for the money.

That being said the thing with the cop is very cool and I was shocked when I saw that IEAH was behind it.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I'm thinking about kicking in a buck for every beer I drink that day.

I'll equal that