For all the Big Brown Boneheads

[Payson Dave]

The horse has done everything that has been asked of him and has overcome some serious adversity in the process....winning from the outside at Gulfstream was something that he supposedly was not going to do...winning the KD from post 20 in his 4th lifetime start was supposedly something that he was not gonna do...coming back on 2 weeks rest in the Preakness was possibly going to be his undoing... I realy believe that more than a few are unable to put aside their dislike for Dutrow and/or IEAH and give the horse appropriate credit.
... also, being juiced does not explain his performances cause if BB is being juiced with something illegal and undetectable then it seems pretty damn likely that he would not be the only one on that juice...
oh and I guarantee ya there were a few boneheads that thought that the red colt of Lucien Laurens was good enough to beat Onion a few years back

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

The horse has done everything that has been asked of him and has overcome some serious adversity in the process....winning from the outside at Gulfstream was something that he supposedly was not going to do...winning the KD from post 20 in his 5th lifetime start was supposedly something that he was not gonna do...coming back on 2 weeks rest in the Preakness was possibly going to be his undoing... I realy believe that more than a few are unable to put aside their dislike for Dutrow and/or IEAH and give the horse appropriate credit.
... also, being juiced does not explain his performances cause if BB is being juiced with something illegal and undetectable then it seems pretty damn likely that he would not be the only one on that juice...

He's a very good horse Dave. There's no denying that. However, in the pantheon of TC winners he is nothing special. Silver Charm could have done exactly what Big Brown has done, and then some, and he was hardly revered in the manner of this horse. Yes, I am comparing him to some pretty heady company, and that is a compliment to Big Brown, but let's stop pretending he is something he has so far proven not to be.

Bottom line for me is that he would have been no better than third in last year's Preakness.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's a very good horse Dave. There's no denying that. However, in the pantheon of TC winners he is nothing special. Silver Charm could have done exactly what Big Brown has done, and then some, and he was hardly revered in the manner of this horse. Yes, I am comparing him to some pretty heady company, and that is a compliment to Big Brown, but let's stop pretending he is something he has so far proven not to be.

Bottom line for me is that he would have been no better than third in last year's Preakness.

Speak for yourself.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's a very good horse Dave. There's no denying that. However, in the pantheon of TC winners he is nothing special. Silver Charm could have done exactly what Big Brown has done, and then some, and he was hardly revered in the manner of this horse. Yes, I am comparing him to some pretty heady company, and that is a compliment to Big Brown, but let's stop pretending he is something he has so far proven not to be.

Bottom line for me is that he would have been no better than third in last year's Preakness.

I think you know what I think of Big Brown, and have from the start... Silver Charm would have blown his doors off. He wasn't revered because he had to battle for both the Derby and the Preakness- most people aren't smart enough to realize how good a group that '97 TC was (and it was excellent) versus the pathetic group we have this year- they just see margin of victory.

I still get goosebumps seeing that Derby stretch run when they play it on HRTV, or Denman's call of the Big Cap.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by philcski

most people aren't smart enough to realize how good a group that '97 TC was (and it was excellent) versus the pathetic group we have this year- they just see margin of victory.

I'm not sure how smart one needs to be to see the difference.

[SniperSB23]

So let's have a role call. How many of the boneheads have actually gone and ordered the book? I'm guessing none, as they'd rather live in their fantasy world. I'm also guessing all the evil contrarians out to discredit Big Brown already own a copy.

[blackthroatedwind]

Why learn something about the game when it's easy to live in a fantasy world?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think you know what I think of Big Brown, and have from the start... Silver Charm would have blown his doors off. He wasn't revered because he had to battle for both the Derby and the Preakness- most people aren't smart enough to realize how good a group that '97 TC was (and it was excellent) versus the pathetic group we have this year- they just see margin of victory.

I still get goosebumps seeing that Derby stretch run when they play it on HRTV, or Denman's call of the Big Cap.

this is exactly what i'm talking about! time and distance, helps put things in perspective. we all know silver charm was a good horse, a very good horse-altho he didn't probably get as much credit than from many as he does now! 11 years later....
who here misses silver charm? i do!

Comparing today's horse to the champions of the past is a waste of time.

The sport will never be the same. Mediocre horses like Evening Attire get press by simply being a suckup horse still competing at an advanced age. If this horse was a professional basketball player he'd be Dikembe Mutumbo.

1 year campaigns. Maybe 1 and a half. 10 races max. Bobby Hurleys.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

this is exactly what i'm talking about! time and distance, helps put things in perspective. we all know silver charm was a good horse, a very good horse-altho he didn't probably get as much credit than from many as he does now! 11 years later....
who here misses silver charm? i do!

I sure as hell do.