Beyer still not sold on Big Brown

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Are you really going to subject us all to 3 weeks of this? We get it, you like Casino Drive.

While I will preface this with Casino Drive did show some promise in the PP. He has "wiseguy" tatooed to him like bees take to honey for the Belmont. I joked he in another thread that he might even go off as the favorite 3 weeks from now, maybe that isn't far off. He's the clear underlay second choice.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by CSC

While I will preface this with Casino Drive did show some promise in the PP. He has "wiseguy" tatooed to him like bees take to honey for the Belmont. I joked he in another thread that he might even go off as the favorite 3 weeks from now, maybe that isn't far off. He's the clear underlay second choice.

Casino Drive is the very antithesis of a " wise guy " horse.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Casino Drive is the very antithesis of a " wise guy " horse.

At this point I would be happy if Big Brown just wins the Triple Crown, either way I agree with what you said earlier. It won't mean he's a greater horse if he does it, it just means he is much better than his 3 yr old competition is. I think we will see just how good he is if and when we see him line up against Curlin. I think the blinders will finally be open after we see how he fares against real racehorses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

At this point I would be happy if Big Brown just wins the Triple Crown, either way I agree with what you said earlier. It won't mean he's a greater horse if he does it, it just means he is much better than his 3 yr old competition is. I think we will see just how good he is if and when we see him line up against Curlin. I think the blinders will finally be open after we see how he fares against real racehorses.

i seriously doubt he faces curlin, or any other horse after the belmont. except mares that is...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i seriously doubt he faces curlin, or any other horse after the belmont. except mares that is...

I think the public would want it, or certainly demand it. I think it would tarnish whatever legacy he wants in the future if he doesn't. Alot has already been made of how mediocre this crop is, the colt atleast deserves a chance to dispel that notion.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think the public would want it, or certainly demand it. I think it would tarnish whatever legacy he wants in the future if he doesn't. Alot has already been made of how mediocre this crop is, the colt atleast deserves a chance to dispel that notion.

It doesn't really matter what the public wants or demands. That's a debate for another time, but as far as reality, it doesn't matter -- not to the owner or the farm. As far as a legacy, it will only tarnish in the eyes of the public or the fan -- which again doesn't matter and is certainly not a concern of the owners, farm, breeder, etc. If the legacy is in the eye of the beholder -- the important eye is not the fan's, but the breeders, mare owners, people who are candidates to send mares, etc.

If the public continues to expect owners to manage their horses to the public's expectation, then the public will continue to be dissappointed.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

If he retires after the Belmont I can only hope his foals end up being as spectacular as the Smarmy Jones's are reported to be.

And, oh yeah, Smarmy was one horse I am actually confident Big Brown could have handled. He would have beaten Afleet Alex as well.

Dynever, however, would have crushed him like a grape.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ELA

It doesn't really matter what the public wants or demands. That's a debate for another time, but as far as reality, it doesn't matter -- not to the owner or the farm. As far as a legacy, it will only tarnish in the eyes of the public or the fan -- which again doesn't matter and is certainly not a concern of the owners, farm, breeder, etc. If the legacy is in the eye of the beholder -- the important eye is not the fan's, but the breeders, mare owners, people who are candidates to send mares, etc.

If the public continues to expect owners to manage their horses to the public's expectation, then the public will continue to be dissappointed.

Eric

This is a debate for another time...I don't begrudge owners for trying to maximize their investments; however I guess I miss the days of having owners like Allen Paulson. A Sportsman that sold the game, surely if he retired Cigar after the BC in 1995, I doubt many young fans at that time would have gotten into this game, and that is the dilema I believe. There will always be core bettors that play the game but will newspapers and the media continue to pay attention if the game loses more fans. Sorry I kind of said more than I perhaps wanted to...that's another topic all together.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think the public would want it, or certainly demand it. I think it would tarnish whatever legacy he wants in the future if he doesn't. Alot has already been made of how mediocre this crop is, the colt atleast deserves a chance to dispel that notion.

legacy? what legacy? he's already made his legacy as far as ieah is concerned. they wanted 50 million for their newest brainchild, and he's put them a long way towards making it. if he wins the belmont, he will be too valuable to ieah and three chimneys to run again. smarty was mentioned above, we all know what his last race was....
and if big brown loses, he'll still retire-as no one would want to risk a second loss, to curlin or anyone else. have to protect that potential 100k stud fee. i'll be absolutely shocked and amazed if that horse runs again after his race in three weeks. he'll either go out 5-1, or 6-0, but go out he will.

as for the public, unless they can afford a share in big brown, ieah and three chimneys won't care what they think.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

legacy? what legacy? he's already made his legacy as far as ieah is concerned. they wanted 50 million for their newest brainchild, and he's put them a long way towards making it. if he wins the belmont, he will be too valuable to ieah and three chimneys to run again. smarty was mentioned above, we all know what his last race was....
and if big brown loses, he'll still retire-as no one would want to risk a second loss, to curlin or anyone else. have to protect that potential 100k stud fee. i'll be absolutely shocked and amazed if that horse runs again after his race in three weeks. he'll either go out 5-1, or 6-0, but go out he will.

as for the public, unless they can afford a share in big brown, ieah and three chimneys won't care what they think.

I'd say he sticks around for the Travers and or Haskel, as Point Given did...and maybe <cough> retire due to injury.

And yeah maybe he can become just as ordinary a sire as Point Given became as well.