Beyer still not sold on Big Brown

[ELA]

Originally Posted by mik9872

If Big Brown crushes Casino Drive, and I believe he will, we will only be able to rate how good he is if he faces Curlin. He has clearly demonstrated his superiorty over this weak 3yo bunch. The older horses, other than Curlin,are also an inferior group.

It won't happen. If Big Brown goes through to the end of the season -- Curlin will not defend his BC Classic title. It's possible, as opposed to probable. However, if so, Jackson and Assmusen will become racing fan enemy # 1 (although Assmusen perhaps at times already is). They will be criticized for not being sportsmen, and so on, similar to what we saw with Street Sense's connections.

Regardless, Big Brown will not ever be "accepted" -- yet I don't know if that's here in a forum like this, mainstream racing fans, the industry at large, etc.

Eric

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by ELA

It won't happen. If Big Brown goes through to the end of the season -- Curlin will not defend his BC Classic title. It's possible, as opposed to probable. However, if so, Jackson and Assmusen will become racing fan enemy # 1 (although Assmusen perhaps at times already is). They will be criticized for not being sportsmen, and so on, similar to what we saw with Street Sense's connections.

Regardless, Big Brown will not ever be "accepted" -- yet I don't know if that's here in a forum like this, mainstream racing fans, the industry at large, etc.

Eric

Curlin will 100% be there in the BCC. He would handle the current Big Brown rather easily. The one thing about Curlin is that he has run from nobody. If Big Brown wants him in the fall he will get him. It is Big Brown though that will not show up in the Classic.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Curlin will 100% be there in the BCC. He would handle the current Big Brown rather easily. The one thing about Curlin is that he has run from nobody. If Big Brown wants him in the fall he will get him. It is Big Brown though that will not show up in the Classic.

We will see. I wouldn't be surprised if Curlin doesn't go -- 1000% however not due to ducking anyone. I agree, he has taken on all comers and will. Same label though -- a trainer who is an easy target. It's just as easy for an owner to be a target, when the so called public at large doesn't agree with a decision, and along comes the "If I owned that horse" syndrome.

I don't know "how much" better Big Brown might get, if at all. However, the same question(s) can be asked about Curlin.

Eric

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by ELA

We will see. I wouldn't be surprised if Curlin doesn't go -- 1000% however not due to ducking anyone. I agree, he has taken on all comers and will. Same label though -- a trainer who is an easy target. It's just as easy for an owner to be a target, when the so called public at large doesn't agree with a decision, and along comes the "If I owned that horse" syndrome.

I don't know "how much" better Big Brown might get, if at all. However, the same question(s) can be asked about Curlin.

Eric

Curlin doesn't need to get better. He has already proven he is a tremendous talent. Big Brown needs to get faster, much faster to take on Curlin. He might do it. We just have to hope he stays around. Although I suspect he will retired with a mysterious injury right after Casino Drive beats him.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Curlin doesn't need to get better. He has already proven he is a tremendous talent. Big Brown needs to get faster, much faster to take on Curlin. He might do it. We just have to hope he stays around. Although I suspect he will retired with a mysterious injury right after Casino Drive beats him.

sorta like Rags To Riches?

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

sorta like Rags To Riches?

No. Rags WON the Belmont. She raced again after it too.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I hope Curlin opts for the Japan Cup Dirt - Big Brown runs in the Arc - and the Breeders Cup Classic features three bad longshot turf marathoners who take to the synthetic track - and make up a giant trifecta.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

No. Rags WON the Belmont. She raced again after it too.

I must have missed that race after the Belmont. How did she do??

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Curlin doesn't need to get better. He has already proven he is a tremendous talent. Big Brown needs to get faster, much faster to take on Curlin. He might do it. We just have to hope he stays around. Although I suspect he will retired with a mysterious injury right after Casino Drive beats him.

I agree. I've thought Curlin had incredible talent from day one. My point is that Curlin might still be getting better. I don't think we've seen it all yet, and of course Big Brown has to step up -- perhaps big time -- to tangle with Curlin.

The mysterious injury nonsense is always overplayed by the conspiracy thinking fan. I heard it about RTR and didn't buy it at all. We hear it about all the 3yo colts -- although last year, all of the "Big 3" went straight through to the BC Classic. People get upset that we don't see them as 4yo's and have to blame and point fingers.

BTW, regarding the Casino Drive discussion -- sorry, but you are on your own. I'd be a bit careful if I were you -- don't smoke too much of that stuff, LOL.

Eric

[sdjcom]

so you watch casino drive beat nobody either in two races,and now he's the best thing since pegusas in greek mythology. as far as curlin he is a year older and has matured. at this point in his 3 yr old year after belmont he had2-3 losses. you have to compare big to older horses ? get a life you don't have a clue what you are talking about, however you have the right to your opinion

[PeteMugg]

Seems like folks are trying to drive a wedge between BB and greatness. I'd say if he wins the triple crown he's pretty damn good. We've had threads before about how grueling this series is and how there'll will never be another triple crown. A new fan might think Curlin was the last.