Beyer still not sold on Big Brown

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ELA

That, the owners are jerks, have no class, are not sportsmen, and so on. Dutrow is a jerk as well, but also cheater, a drug addict -- perhaps reformed, and so on. There will always be plenty of reasons -- against the horse and to bash connections. Bashing can turn to hate pretty easy. Anyway, it is what it is.

Eric

Agree, but I could never hate a horse because of his connections. Big Brown didn't choose any of this. I bet against him in the Florida Derby and Kentucky Derby, but won't be doing so in the future ... I think he's just a really good horse and he towers above the others in this crop. It would be a good thing for racing if he won the triple crown ... Lord knows we need that.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Agree, but I could never hate a horse because of his connections. Big Brown didn't choose any of this. I bet against him in the Florida Derby and Kentucky Derby, but won't be doing so in the future ... I think he's just a really good horse and he towers above the others in this crop. It would be a good thing for racing if he won the triple crown ... Lord knows we need that.

Apparently, you are not in the majority. I would think far more people dislike the connections than the horse. It gets collapsed though. People start rooting against the horse, although they don't like that a horse like this ends up where he ends up and who he ends up with, or the bashing turns to hatred and it's not longer about the sport. Like I've always said -- this is a sport and business of self expression and that's what makes the world go 'round.

Eric

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Agree, but I could never hate a horse because of his connections. Big Brown didn't choose any of this. I bet against him in the Florida Derby and Kentucky Derby, but won't be doing so in the future ... I think he's just a really good horse and he towers above the others in this crop. It would be a good thing for racing if he won the triple crown ... Lord knows we need that.

completely disagree with the first, agree with the second, disagree with the third, and we really just need the various factions in racing to work together on signal, handle, etc.

[lemoncrush]

I've only been watching horse racing seriously on a national level for about 5 years, so I give up a lot of experience and wisdom to many on here. But if you watch all of Big Brown races, you have to be an idiot to not be impressed with the ease and brilliance he demonstrates when he runs.

GhostZapper is probably the best horse I've seen in the past 5 years, but it seemed he never coasted to victory, instead always having to work for it (granted, he didn't exude his greatness until he was an older horse).

I just think horses that can destroy large grade 1 fields with relative ease on dirt over and over again like Big Brown should be appreciated for how rare of an accomplishment that is, rather than ridiculued.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I've only been watching horse racing seriously on a national level for about 5 years, so I give up a lot of experience and wisdom to many on here. But if you watch all of Big Brown races, you have to be an idiot to not be impressed with the ease and brilliance he demonstrates when he runs.

GhostZapper is probably the best horse I've seen in the past 5 years, but it seemed he never coasted to victory, instead always having to work for it (granted, he didn't exude his greatness until he was an older horse).

I just think horses that can destroy large grade 1 fields with relative ease on dirt over and over again like Big Brown should be appreciated for how rare of an accomplishment that is, rather than ridiculued.

I agree with everything you said here.

[Bobby Fischer]

Wait, the racing world doesn't rotate around the BSF?

I do agree with Beyer's safe, and general quotes about Big Brown and the crop.

Fast?
As far as top speed, acelleration, and tactical speed - Brown is a star in most any era. Compared with the big3 of 2007, none of them match his ability in these three measures of speed.

Big Brown's cruising speed or the speed that he comfortably gallops/races is near or equal to Hard Spun. His natural ability rivals Curlin. His response to KD is the equal of Street Sense/Borel.

Big Brown obviously isn't a grinder or a slow closer. He is a speedy talent who runs his mediocre competition off the track on the turn.

While Brown hasn't yet faced a true Grade I horse, he has spotted the field "queen odds" in the Florida Derby with post 12, and then came back with post 20 in Kentucky.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I've only been watching horse racing seriously on a national level for about 5 years, so I give up a lot of experience and wisdom to many on here. But if you watch all of Big Brown races, you have to be an idiot to not be impressed with the ease and brilliance he demonstrates when he runs.

GhostZapper is probably the best horse I've seen in the past 5 years, but it seemed he never coasted to victory, instead always having to work for it (granted, he didn't exude his greatness until he was an older horse).

I just think horses that can destroy large grade 1 fields with relative ease on dirt over and over again like Big Brown should be appreciated for how rare of an accomplishment that is, rather than ridiculued.

this is true. but i also see why some people have questions. for one, none of these horses are that fast. hes never been tried. the pace in the derby and preakness was slow. i want to see him win at belmont and i'll be there. but if they retire BB after the belmont, its a cop out. many horses in that race yesterday were eligible for non winners allowance company. come on already, what kind of grade 1 was that ? when horses run against inferior comp , of course they look great. if they quit with this horse in june , no one will ever know how good he is or could of been . bernardini used to look the same way until the waters got deep , which is usually the BC classic.

[MLC]

The consensus then is that we probably won't know how good he is. The prevailing opinion on this board is that we won't see him after the Belmont. While I wasn't a Bernardini fan: when the waters got deep in the BC Classic, he did not disgrace himself. He ran a good race and was beaten by a better horse.

[Round Pen]

No no I agree CM I was speaking of the Derby IF you took the 6 horses that had just run a 0 under Big Brown you come up with a $3400 Tri

[the_fat_man]

So TG is looking for BB to bounce and Dutrow is blowing him out the morning of the race? Go figure.