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[hockey2315]

I wouldn't call it skill. . .

[pick4]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I wouldn't call it skill. . .

Call it whatever you want. His record of winning races speaks for itself.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here. I've asked the question about Dutrow Jr. that I posed in an earlier post a few times to various people but the answers are pure speculation that he is a cheat and gets away with it.


He's a tenth grade dropout and that does not imply that he is unintelligent. It's obvious he has above average ability in managing racehorses. I doubt he spent much time studying science in school.

I recall Steve Allday saying he is a cheater but where is the concrete proof.

[hockey2315]

Allday saying it is pretty good proof. . . But all you have to do is look at his horse's PPs to know something's up. . . And his record of positives. . .

Do you really think he's a better horseman than a guy like Mott?

[pick4]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Allday saying it is pretty good proof. . . But all you have to do is look at his horse's PPs to know something's up. . . And his record of positives. . .

Do you really think he's a better horseman than a guy like Mott?

Allday was Dutrow Jr's vet and they had a parting of the ways. After the breakup Allday calls in to Steve's show and made the claim that Dutrow Jr is dirty.

Why was he Dutrow Jr's vet for so long? What caused the parting of the ways?

Allday might be correct and I'm just playing devils advocate here. In four weeks there is a pretty good chance that Richard Dutrow Jr will join the select few who have trained a Triple Crown winner

1919 Bedwell
1930 Fitzsimmons
1935 Fitzsimmons
1937 Conway
1941 Jones
1943 Cameron
1946 Hirsch
1948 Jones
1973 Laurin
1977 Turner, Jr.
1978 Barrera
2008 ???????....Dutrow, Jr.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pick4

Call it whatever you want. His record of winning races speaks for itself.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here. I've asked the question about Dutrow Jr. that I posed in an earlier post a few times to various people but the answers are pure speculation that he is a cheat and gets away with it.


He's a tenth grade dropout and that does not imply that he is unintelligent. It's obvious he has above average ability in managing racehorses. I doubt he spent much time studying science in school.

I recall Steve Allday saying he is a cheater but where is the concrete proof.

pure speculation doesn't get someone suspended repeatedly. dutrow was suspended for two separate drug violations, as well as a claiming violation, when st liam ran in the stephen foster-under bobby frankels name. then dutrow was suspended for violating terms of yet another drug suspension. google his name, you'll see for yourself. every year for at least the last ten, he's been in trouble-six states at least. then there's woodbine-he served a 14 day suspension for lying in an investigation about a horse he ran up there.
it's a lot of things, but speculation isn't one of them. dutrow has even said he deserved at least half of his suspensions. just because he isn't repentant doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Danzig

pure speculation doesn't get someone suspended repeatedly. dutrow was suspended for two separate drug violations, as well as a claiming violation, when st liam ran in the stephen foster-under bobby frankels name. then dutrow was suspended for violating terms of yet another drug suspension. google his name, you'll see for yourself. every year for at least the last ten, he's been in trouble-six states at least. then there's woodbine-he served a 14 day suspension for lying in an investigation about a horse he ran up there.
it's a lot of things, but speculation isn't one of them. dutrow has even said he deserved at least half of his suspensions. just because he isn't repentant doesn't mean it didn't happen.

i think you mean wild desert in the 2005 Queen's Plate at Woodbine - not a claim violation but a workout violation and misleading info - but we get the idea

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by robfla

i think you mean wild desert in the 2005 Queen's Plate at Woodbine - not a claim violation but a workout violation and misleading info - but we get the idea

st liam also ran under another trainers name, perhaps dutrows assitant? dutrow was serving at one point for 2 drug and 1 claim violation-that's separate from the wild desert violation. he's had so many, i guess they can all run together after a while.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Danzig

st liam also ran under another trainers name, perhaps dutrows assitant? dutrow was serving at one point for 2 drug and 1 claim violation-that's separate from the wild desert violation. he's had so many, i guess they can all run together after a while.

St. Liam ran in Bobby Frankel's name in the Foster, although there were people from Dutrow's stable (one of the Rodriguez's) there with the horse in the paddock that afternoon.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

St. Liam ran in Bobby Frankel's name in the Foster, although there were people from Dutrow's stable (one of the Rodriguez's) there with the horse in the paddock that afternoon.

Horse racing is a joke. The suspensions are comical. Let me guess where the majority of the trainer's share went for that race.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

St. Liam ran in Bobby Frankel's name in the Foster, although there were people from Dutrow's stable (one of the Rodriguez's) there with the horse in the paddock that afternoon.

I thought I had it right when I said he ran under BF in the Foster-and of course when Wild Desert was mentioned, I thought maybe I was combining several happenings under one name...at any rate, it isn't just speculation that Dutrow was/is a cheat.