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Old 05-05-2008, 07:19 PM
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Of all the issues, post position was the least of my concerns. Going 10f at Churchill, post is never an issue. Being 3-4 wide is absolutely meaningless.
Just to clarify, being 3 or 4 wide -- around both turns -- is absolutely meaningless?

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Old 05-05-2008, 07:30 PM
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That was one of the reasons he was a toss for me. I didn't think he would be able to handle being wide near the front of what I thought was going to be a very fast pace. Let alone the whole way around. At the half I thought I was going to be ok, waiting for the Col Johns and Pyro's to show up. Boy was I wrong. I also didn't expect him to rate as nicely as he did. I thought Kent would have had a stranglehold on him. All I can do is just tip my hat, they ran a big race.
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Old 05-06-2008, 06:57 AM
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Just to clarify, being 3 or 4 wide -- around both turns -- is absolutely meaningless?

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Eric
Unless you believed that the winner was going to be a horse that went wire to wire on the rail, any horse that was going to win was going to come from off of the rail. So how much different is it going two wide around a turn as opposed to three? How much different is three as opposed to four. Colonel John was the second choice and he was coming from post 10 so that means that he was going to be wide also. Because of BB's early speed, I had just assumed that he would get a better trip than Colonel John. I figured on every major contender being 3-5 wide around the turns no matter how the race played out so it wasn't a consideration in my handicapping.

People make such a big deal about him being in post 20. I've heard countless times how a horse hadn't won from that post since 1929. How many have started from that post since then? How many of those that started in post 20 were horses that were considered legit contenders going in? Those factors are more relevant than just saying it hasn't been done in 79 years.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:00 AM
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Unless you believed that the winner was going to be a horse that went wire to wire on the rail, any horse that was going to win was going to come from off of the rail. So how much different is it going two wide around a turn as opposed to three? How much different is three as opposed to four. Colonel John was the second choice and he was coming from post 10 so that means that he was going to be wide also. Because of BB's early speed, I had just assumed that he would get a better trip than Colonel John. I figured on every major contender being 3-5 wide around the turns no matter how the race played out so it wasn't a consideration in my handicapping.

People make such a big deal about him being in post 20. I've heard countless times how a horse hadn't won from that post since 1929. How many have started from that post since then? How many of those that started in post 20 were horses that were considered legit contenders going in? Those factors are more relevant than just saying it hasn't been done in 79 years.
good point. you always have a runner in post 1, but obviously the # will go lower the further out from the rail.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:07 AM
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Unbridled's Song broke from post 20... he ran a good race too considering he had bar shoes on.
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