Cigar's maiden win...

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by CSC

Wasn't Lure supposed to be a Derby horse until they found out his best surface was the turf. Even hall of famers can get it wrong at times.

Lure was a stakes winner on dirt, dead-heating with Devil His Due in the Gotham. I think he was also favorite in the Champagne as a 2yo after an impressive maiden win.

It's interesting to note that Cigar was run above his condition in his first few turf races for Bill Mott (thanks to Kiris for the PPs). And whereas DrugS uses his mid-80s Beyers in those races to validate his distaste for grass, note that he was running turf Beyers in the high 90s as a 3yo in CA. Maybe he should have stayed at Arlington for the Million to secure the win streak record instead of shipping to San Diego to get his ass kicked.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Maybe he should have stayed at Arlington for the Million to secure the win streak record instead of shipping to San Diego to get his ass kicked.

He would have ran last in Million...of that I have little doubt.

[IrishofNDMan]

If Cigar and Holy Bull had faced each other more, who do you think would have came out on top most of the time? I would go with Holy Bull, but maybe that's just me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

If Cigar and Holy Bull had faced each other more, who do you think would have came out on top most of the time? I would go with Holy Bull, but maybe that's just me.

I agree that Holy Bull was better, at least when he was 3, but Cigar ran some very nice races in 1995. His Oaklawn Handicap was very strong.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree that Holy Bull was better, at least when he was 3, but Cigar ran some very nice races in 1995. His Oaklawn Handicap was very strong.

Up to 9F I think Holy Bull would have had his number each and every time..

At 10F Cigar would have had the advantage..

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

If Cigar and Holy Bull had faced each other more, who do you think would have came out on top most of the time? I would go with Holy Bull, but maybe that's just me.

Just pretend Valiant Nature is Cigar in this photo...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Cigar gave away ground late in 10 of his 11 turf races all at distances much shorter than 10 furlongs.

Horses like Awad, Mecke, and Sandpit would have beaten him by the length of a football field on turf.

[KirisClown]

He would have at least beaten Prince of Andros...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppFYwGf6VMo

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I never said he would have won the race. I just don't think he would have run last.

That depends.....was Spring House in there?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I never said he would have won the race. I just don't think he would have run last.

Are you saying Cigar is Spring House?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

And Mike Mitchell's Church Service as well!

Not to mention he was a sneaky great 3rd in his prior start!

[Gander]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Of course not. Cigar was half the horse Spring House is. Geez. Don't you know Spring House beat On the Acorn.

Whoops, I meant Spring at Last. Sorry, wrong horse! Wasnt he terrible on Wood Day?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You are confusing Spring House (who proved himself as perhaps the best American turf marathoner around when a sneaky 3rd by 6 lengths at Hollywood Park) with Spring At Last .. who tanked on Wood Day.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You are confusing Spring House (who proved himself as perhaps the best American turf marathoner around when a sneaky 3rd by 6 lengths at Hollywood Park) with Spring At Last .. who tanked on Wood Day.

Thanks, and yes, I corrected my previous post. Tank would be a good word to describe that performance....hmmm, I wonder why