Is Haskin joking?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Funny, but Monba reminds me of another Pletcher/Starlight runner; Purge. I liked him after his Cash Call Futurity effort and was my #1 three year old in January, glad he found the winner's circle in the Bluegrass and will use him in gimmicks.....but hard press seeing him winning. But, unlike others...I see him getting better as the year goes on. He should be 20-1 or more and will probably be around a lot longer than Big Brown, War Pass or Pyro.

[ninetoone]

Saw Mr. Haskin was just online...no reply...dang, I was hoping he would.

[tiggerv]

Monba isn't nearly as hopeless as some of you are making him out to be. Now Court Vision...that horse is hopeless.

[SteveHaskin]

Mr. Byk e-mailed and suggested I chime in and have fun with this thread. Why not? In a year like this, you gotta lighten up. 90% of us are gonna look like dummies after the race anyway, so might as well go down solo and not with the crowd with Colonel John and Big Brown. As far as whether I'm serious or not...a little bit. As far as whether I bet (the Derby)...a little bit. Do I really like anyone this year? No. For a price I'll look at Smooth Air and Adriano, and maybe Court Vision to hit the board. After that, take your pick. I just figured if I liked Monba enough in January to put him #2 in my first Derby Dozen, why not have some fun and put him #1 after winning the Blue Grass. Any other year I wouldn't even consider it.

[SteveHaskin]

I forgot to add Z Fortune as a potential live longshot; just not sure about his pedigree, but his Arkansas Derby reminded me a lot of Grindstone's and Lil E. Tee's. All opinions can, and likely will, change dramatically after I see the horses train and in the flesh. That's where you find most of your Derby winners, not in the past performances.

[Cannon Shell]

Z Fortune is one of the few horses in the race that actually makes a little sense.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Z Fortune is one of the few horses in the race that actually makes a little sense.

If you can overlook the way Pyro exploded past him in the lane in the Risen Star - and his next out non-effort in the Rebel.

[wac]

I think the thing with zfortune that woke me up was his post position in the Ark derby. I rememeber reading a story that when smarty was going for the 5mil bonus after he left from 11 i think in the ark derby and won,granted he rolled in that race, the owners of Oaklawn strated getting nervous and while he didn't win he put in a pretty good race i think. would think that he will have pretty good odds and may liven things up in the exotics. Another thing to think about is that everyone is going to be talking about Pyro and how many times have we seen where a trainer has some horses in and everyone gets on the "one" and the others are left out it is sometimes that other horse that runs big. I can think of real quiet=indian charlie? and peace rules=empire maker. What do i know just food for thought.

[Bogey]

I ran this scenario through my head this afternoon. Prado will probably stay on Tale of Ekati for the Derby. What if Pletcher has Johnny V ride Monba and have Luzzi (or similar jock) on Cowboy Cal just to add to the early pace (rabbit). Just something to think about. I've been a fan of Monba since his allowance win at CD and this could be his best chance in a wide open Derby.

I like SH's dozen at this point, but will wait for the CD workouts/Draw to make final decision. Of course, then you have how the track is playing on Derby day to deal with.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you can overlook the way Pyro exploded past him in the lane in the Risen Star - and his next out non-effort in the Rebel.

In the sheets era of bad efforts being good and great efforts being bad he is looking better all the time

[cloud_break]

Originally Posted by SteveHaskin

I forgot to add Z Fortune as a potential live longshot; just not sure about his pedigree, but his Arkansas Derby reminded me a lot of Grindstone's and Lil E. Tee's. All opinions can, and likely will, change dramatically after I see the horses train and in the flesh. That's where you find most of your Derby winners, not in the past performances.

Truer words have never been written about handicapping the Derby.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by SteveHaskin

That's where you find most of your Derby winners, not in the past performances.

And I will not soon forget you giving us Bluegrass Cat on the improve along with Barbaro 2 years back.. And Street Sense last year became an include on top instead of an exclude thanks to your keen eye during training at Churchill. Thanks.

[hockey2315]

"And Street Sense last year became an include on top instead of an exclude thanks to your keen eye during training at Churchill."

You're right- Street Sense was a total toss before that.

[jms62]

Absoultely !!! Yes we all know the GREAT record of Juvenile BC winners.. You burn much over the years betting them wise ass ??

[pb72vett]

Originally Posted by SteveHaskin

I forgot to add Z Fortune as a potential live longshot; just not sure about his pedigree, but his Arkansas Derby reminded me a lot of Grindstone's and Lil E. Tee's. All opinions can, and likely will, change dramatically after I see the horses train and in the flesh. That's where you find most of your Derby winners, not in the past performances.

Peter B.I LIKE what they see and feel there more on the inside then us most, others seem to think best is chalk toplay,20 horses very hard for chalk to take small prices on last year was avery good time this year much has changed ,just as the market, step in STEVE BYKE also is derby in hydif.tv?

What the hell u just say?

[hockey2315]

hahaha

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pb72vett

Peter B.I LIKE what they see and feel there more on the inside then us most, others seem to think best is chalk toplay,20 horses very hard for chalk to take small prices on last year was avery good time this year much has changed ,just as the market, step in STEVE BYKE also is derby in hydif.tv?

que?

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by pb72vett

Peter B.I LIKE what they see and feel there more on the inside then us most, others seem to think best is chalk toplay,20 horses very hard for chalk to take small prices on last year was avery good time this year much has changed ,just as the market, step in STEVE BYKE also is derby in hydif.tv?

I think I read it tree times trying to figure it out.. Talk about bad english.
Perhaps he's had one too many"nips" before typing that?

[herkhorse]

we need a special thread for drunk3n poosts